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Re: DNS over Wikipedia

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What are you going to do if people start to trust this and then someone edits the wiki sources to redirect people to phishing sites mocked up to look real?

This is a good point, this it something that has happened (I've personally witnessed) and probably still happens from time to time unless wikipedia has worked to stop that sort of abuse.

Long story short, about ten years ago, my recommendation of a specific search tool (shareaza) to a friend went south, since it was over the phone. I'd found telling people to use web searches didn't work out well, wikipedia on the other hand, usually had an up to date address -- I no longer recall what trouble it caused, but I spent some time wondering what malware was redirecting to the bogus software site -- there was none, it was the edited entry at wikipedia. (When I tried the bogus software I recall it looked like it was doing something, but in fact it was doing nothing as far as searching p2p networks. Being busy I wasn't interested to see what its objectives were before deleting.)

Re: DNS over Wikipedia

#142
post #43

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> How about this: try posting an URL for kiwifarms or stormfront or whatever right here, in this thread. See if it stays up. See who's willing to tolerate it. https://kiwifarms.net

Up for 7 hours. Guess that proves HN is better than Wikipedia.

Re: DNS over Wikipedia

#143
post #32

Wikipedia editors have noticed that people use wikipedia for this purpose (finding the current location of sites) and so they have started to censor links for sites they don't want to encourage people to access. Right now this mostly impacts sites few would condone, like 8chan or kiwifarms. But in theory the policy applies to any site with illegal material so places like the pirate bay or scihub could have their link…

I had never heard of kiwi farms before. Disgusting...

Re: DNS over Wikipedia

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Wikipedia has helped me in a couple of instances in which Google or DuckDuckGo couldn't, for example getting the latest onion or clearnet URL for a certain site.

Arguably the onion URL is information of value, but someone who can't figure out what the URL for 8chan might be probably doesn't need to go there anyway.

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Re: DNS over Wikipedia

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Everyone's already taken the bait, but I'm an awful fish, so I'll post their secret .onion url: kiwifarmsaaf4t2h7gc3dfc5ojhmqruw2nit3uejrpiagrxeuxiyxcyd.onion It's not really something I'd be comfortable with either, so I get it, but everyone in this thread should at least understand that the average kiwi farms thread is roughly as offensive as the conversations at every job site that constructed all your houses, eve…

> is roughly as offensive as the conversations at every job site that constructed all your houses, every field that grew your vegetables, and every rig that pumped the oil for your car. .... Those people are out there...

I'm trying to understand what you are saying with that. What are you implying? Please be more specific. Because it sounds like you are painting with a very broad brush and making a lot of assumptions about great swaths of society.

Re: DNS over Wikipedia

#146

Once upon a time I built an iOS language translation/dictionary app which used Wikipedia as a back end. Basically, if you entered a word in language X and the Wikipedia version for language X had an entry, it could find the translation for that word in language Y by looking at the "this article in other languages" information in the source for that page. It was useful for finding translations or transliterations of t…

Your app was probably taken down because you apparently don’t understand what a trademark is, or what it is for.

> Wikipedia's asshole lawyers didn't like that I used a serifed W in the logo

It’s not the lawyers which don’t like it. Trademark exists to protect consumer confusion. If a reasonable person could reasonably (but incorrectly) believe that your app was officially associated with Wikipedia based on only looking at the logo, then you have created consumer confusion. Trademark law disallows you from (using trademarked branding) letting people believe that your app is official.

> I made it clear it wasn't an official Wikipedia product everywhere

Posting “No copyright infringement intended” on a YouTube video does not, contrary to masses of people, turn a copyright infringement into something else.

Likewise, just writing that your app is not official will not make a trademark infringement vanish.

(Of course, if Wikipedia does not have a valid trademark which you infringed, that’s another story. But it’s not what I would guess has happened here.)

Re: DNS over Wikipedia

#147

If this takes off, it's just going to result in a court order against Wikipedia. Z-lib getting popular on Tiktok = no z-lib anymore. Getting Wikipedia censored will ultimately make it harder for people to find sites like scihub.

Perhaps we should do the same idea on top of a DHT

Re: DNS over Wikipedia

#148
post #79

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On the other hand, Wikipedia pages seemingly get "vandalized" all the time and sometimes aren't corrected immediately. Doesn't this create a situation where a bad actor could change the Wikipedia page for a `semi-popular-brand.com` url listing to something bad? Anyone who used `semi-popular-brand.idk` in that timeframe would land in the bad page. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding.

Maybe an enhancement would be to have it look at the edit history and use the most recent URL that has remained on the page for at least X hours/days

One challenge with this approach can be seen by considering a scihub takedown followed immediately by a correction to a new TLD. The new(and suddenly correct) address would be changed to an incorrect old address.

Re: DNS over Wikipedia

#149
post #32

Wikipedia editors have noticed that people use wikipedia for this purpose (finding the current location of sites) and so they have started to censor links for sites they don't want to encourage people to access. Right now this mostly impacts sites few would condone, like 8chan or kiwifarms. But in theory the policy applies to any site with illegal material so places like the pirate bay or scihub could have their link…

Well I can see links about Hong Kong being censored then. I mean anything about Hong Kong is censored already.

Re: DNS over Wikipedia

#150
post #32

Wikipedia editors have noticed that people use wikipedia for this purpose (finding the current location of sites) and so they have started to censor links for sites they don't want to encourage people to access. Right now this mostly impacts sites few would condone, like 8chan or kiwifarms. But in theory the policy applies to any site with illegal material so places like the pirate bay or scihub could have their link…

Here's a well-reasoned argument linked from that thread for keeping extremist URL in articles about extremist websites. Strange what can change in just a couple of years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(poli...

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