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Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by ben_w »

corytheboyd wrote: post #19
mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

It's about money, not "free speech". Kanye posting hate speech drives away advertisers and twitter loses money. Musk is a grifter just like everyone else, his siren song being this "free speech" bullshit. The grift stopped working so he backpedaled. Seems fairly simple to me.

I don’t think that fits, because Musk’s every act since buying Twitter seems to have also driven away advertisers.

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Post by LawTalkingGuy »

lanstin wrote: post #109
anon291 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Remembering the context of people being killed for being trans as a relatively common event. It hasn't reached the millions by any means but we'd like it stopped sooner than that.

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by jcampbell1 »

ben_w wrote: post #199
jcampbell1 wrote: post #140

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Elon Musk becomes a Fox News darling right before he launches an electric pickup truck. He obviously doesn’t want Tesla to be a brand associated with left wing politics.

Which way around is cause and effect? An ex of mine is a literal communist, and her beliefs about Musk 5 years ago appear to have made their way to people I assume to be mainstream American left-wing (hard to be sure as I’m not American, but it’s the vibe I’m getting).

That is the idea, you lose some left supporters of your brand in exchange for some right leaning supporters. Elon Musk believes this trade off is neutral to positive. Maybe he is wrong, but the anecdote about your communist ex doesn’t amount to much other than the brand has become less liked in your circle.

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Post by ilyt »

abruzzi wrote: post #120
throwawayacc4 wrote: post #90

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>HN is much more heavily moderated than those websites. This couldn't be further from the truth. Reddit is orders of magnitude more heavily moderated than HN. Your average run of the mill subreddit has more moderators than the entirety of HN. >Which is a good thing, it's why conversations here tend to be of a higher quality. I think the conversations here are higher because of the userbase, not dang's moderation. The…

Don’t forget that HN is also self moderated through upvotes/downvotes (I’ve never used Reddit, does it have similar?). This does two things IMO—first, low quality posts become less and less readable which reduces incentive to make inflammatory posts, but second it also imposes self moderation (except for users that resort to throwaway accounts) since losing too many karma points removes some of your ability to partic…

> but second it also imposes self moderation (except for users that resort to throwaway accounts) since losing too many karma points removes some of your ability to participate on the site.

Uh, absolutely not the case. All you need to do is to not post bullshit all the time to be in positive on karma.

It's even worse on reddit (if you want closest approximate it would be like HN instance-per topic(subreddit)) where karma is global so you could get karma on one subreddit and lose on another and be net positive even easier.

the up/down vote thing mostly works but in bigger communities it quickly turns from "quality/garbage comment" to "I agree/I disagree" button

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Post by RajT88 »

woah wrote: post #125

One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail". Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all. Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remov…

Except I would wager you'll get the feds showing up if you start emailing around CSAM from your GMail account.

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Post by wmf »

Zagill wrote: post #190
Karunamon wrote: post #181

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Rules against impersonation had been on the platform since 2018. IMO if you can't do satire without making your self indistinguishable from the person you are satirizing, you suck at it.

It says a lot that a tweet saying "I drink piss everyday" is indistinguishable from a real Elon tweet

Drinking his own piss is more of a Jack Dorsey move.

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Post by medvezhenok »

drivebycomment wrote: post #189
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #141

It's all very Brexit reminiscent. "Let's leave the EU and get rid of all this red tape and beaurocracy" leave EU discover why all those rules were necessary slowly re-invent a crappy copy of the above rules, at great personal expense, because the same external forces that existed before require them

100%. In both, it's clear people who got rid of the existing framework failed to follow Chesterton's fence.

Knowledge transfer is very lossy across generations and still hasn't really been solved.

Perhaps when we achieve singularity or close to that we'll have permanent knowledge repositories and the wisdom of the collective consciousness immortalized:)

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Post by medvezhenok »

umvi wrote: post #175
Etheryte wrote: post #170

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Hate speech is illegal in numerous countries, Germany being the most prominent example. That specific case is covered in the article, too.

Well then the crux of the issue is that you cannot build a global free speech platform. What is free speech in USA is illegal speech in Germany, China, etc. If you really want a free speech platform, you can only really deploy it in countries that respect the same level of free speech (or greater) as your own. And that's leaving a lot of money on the table for publicly traded companies, hence free speech morals go ou…

Incitement to violence is illegal in the U.S.A. too.

The line between hate speech and incitement to violence can get awfully blurry in some cases.

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Post by chasd00 »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #211
themitigating wrote: post #96

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I'm referring to pre musk ban. The exact tweet was “I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE,” Someone was proposing incitement to violence has a threahold etc. This to me is clearly incitement to violence. Some have claimed he didn't know what "death con" (defcon) means to which I say what could he have possibly meant. It's on Jewish People.

Defcon levels are about preparing for defense not attack. I think your bias is showing.

heh well i seriously doubt Kanye has the slightest clue about the actual meaning of defcon levels.

but i was thinking, does this tweet "I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE," incite violence? I don't think it does.

Now if he said "when i wake up i want to read on the news how all of you went death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPLE" that would be inciting violence to me. btw, i'm thankful Taylor Swift is mostly benign, her fans are fanatical to the point of acting like a brain washed cult. Anything she tells them to do is done.

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