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Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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PG, if you're reading this, I don't know which list you saw, but here's one with SOPA supporters that is probably the most comprehensive: http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/the-439-organizations-s...

I love how Xerox supports SOPA.

I mean, their entire company was founded around a device that facilitates copyright infringement.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

#32

PG, if you're reading this, I don't know which list you saw, but here's one with SOPA supporters that is probably the most comprehensive: http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/the-439-organizations-s...

Here is the one directly from the SOPA .gov site: http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Su...

>judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Supporters.pdf

'Rouge websites'... Really ? How about figuring out that spelling thing before trying to pass legislation...

Or did we miss something and all this SOPA fuss is actually about misspelled counterfeit cosmetics exclusively?

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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post #7

Am I the only one thinking that this is censorship too? edit: censorship

YC demo day is a private event hosted by a private organization. As such, YC has the right to determine the kind of entities that are allowed to be present at the event. And YC / pg have determined that the kind of companies that would support SOPA are unlikely to make good investors in YC portfolio companies. No censorship, just a business decision.

Curious: Aren't ISPs and payment processing companies also private organizations? Are DNS "name servers"?

I don't disagree with PG's stance here and I don't think it is censorship, but you must admit that these are "just business decisions" for these parties as well (possibly even Congress)

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

#35

Wow, surprising to see Visa on that list. Here's a direct link to the list on the techcrunch article. http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Su...

Mastercard should be there, too. They even had a "witness" at the first hearing. Can we get a list for the companies supporting Protect IP, too? We don't want that one to slip past us, either.

> They even had a "witness" at the first hearing

Mastercard's VP Linda Kirkpatrick was the only witness at that hearing who testified with any semblance of being not 100% pro-SOPA at that hearing.

> As noted yesterday, Visa is actually officially against these bills, which makes this one at least somewhat interesting, because the story we'd been hearing was that MasterCard was in favor of them. But Kirkpatrick's testimony is actually kind of surprising. While we expected it to be very pro-SOPA... it turns out that she's very concerned about the massive compliance and liability costs of the bill. Kirkpatrick explains how MasterCard works, and goes to great lengths to say it's against the company's policy to use its cards for any transactions that break the law. And it already has an existing anti-piracy policy, which allows law enforcement and rights holders to bring such infringement using its cards to the company's attention. It then explains its investigation and notification policy. This is all very interesting... and basically makes an anti-SOPA point: given that MasterCard already does this, why does it need SOPA?

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111116/00035716786/look-t...

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

#37

PG, if you're reading this, I don't know which list you saw, but here's one with SOPA supporters that is probably the most comprehensive: http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/the-439-organizations-s...

Here is the one directly from the SOPA .gov site: http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Su...

Take a look at the front page of the committee's web site:

>Markup Shows Strong Support for SOPA (12/16/2011)

>SOPA Has Strong Support (12/15/2011)

>Smith: Critics Continue to Spread Lies about SOPA (12/14/2011)

This is about as divorced from reality as you could possibly get. If this country is not the definition of a corporate oligarchy I don't know what is.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is the one directly from the SOPA .gov site: http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Su...

Take a look at the front page of the committee's web site: >Markup Shows Strong Support for SOPA (12/16/2011) >SOPA Has Strong Support (12/15/2011) >Smith: Critics Continue to Spread Lies about SOPA (12/14/2011) This is about as divorced from reality as you could possibly get. If this country is not the definition of a corporate oligarchy I don't know what is.

You know what I love - that issues like SOPA are waking people up to this.

I am an admitted tinfoiler of 20+ years.

I find the current state of reality surreal!

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