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Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Post by staunch » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 9:18 PM UTC

burgerbrain wrote: post #5

" "If these companies are so clueless about technology that they think SOPA is a good idea, how could they be good investors?" " That is a brilliant point.

Unless they're different people in the organization, which is likely the usual case. Not that I disagree with the sentiment.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Post by parfe » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 9:18 PM UTC

d0vs wrote: post #7

Am I the only one thinking that this is censorship too? edit: censorship

Censuring for sure. Censoring? No.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Post by mrlase » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 9:19 PM UTC

nextparadigms wrote: post #6

PG, if you're reading this, I don't know which list you saw, but here's one with SOPA supporters that is probably the most comprehensive: http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/the-439-organizations-s...

Some of these companies are just so random... Why, for instance, does Adidas, L'Oreal, American Apparel, Rite Aid, Pfizer, etc. even have a stance on SOPA? I was rather disconcerted to see that Elsevier was on this list :(

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Post by Scriptor » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 9:19 PM UTC

d0vs wrote: post #7

Am I the only one thinking that this is censorship too? edit: censorship

I disagree with that since the reasons are not purely political. PG believes that supporting SOPA shows a very flawed understanding of how the Internet works. Since many YC companies are web-based or rely on the Internet in other ways I think this makes sense. You can't knowledgeably invest in something with a very flawed understanding of it.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Post by samstave » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 9:20 PM UTC

nextparadigms wrote: post #6

PG, if you're reading this, I don't know which list you saw, but here's one with SOPA supporters that is probably the most comprehensive: http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/the-439-organizations-s...

Here is the one directly from the SOPA .gov site:

http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Su...

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Post by h_r » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 9:20 PM UTC

d0vs wrote: post #7

Am I the only one thinking that this is censorship too? edit: censorship

Censorship is using legal force, physically if necessary to shut you up. It isn't simply refusing to provide you a platform.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Post by samstave » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 9:21 PM UTC

nextparadigms wrote: post #4

mahmoudimus wrote: post #3

Wow, surprising to see Visa on that list. Here's a direct link to the list on the techcrunch article. http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Su...

Mastercard should be there, too. They even had a "witness" at the first hearing. Can we get a list for the companies supporting Protect IP, too? We don't want that one to slip past us, either.

Mastercard (and Visa) are both on the PDF I linked to above..

http://judiciary.house.gov/issues/Rouge%20Websites/SOPA%20Su...

EDIT: Just realized this was the same as the GP link.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Post by dantheman » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 9:22 PM UTC

We need try and start to route around companies that are damaging the internet; and start figuring out who their collaborators are and route around them. This is a great first start, but we need to get companies like google to refuse to allow the MPAA & RIAA to use any of their value add products (gmail/calendar/etc).

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Post by marshray » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 9:22 PM UTC

mrlase wrote: post #13

nextparadigms wrote: post #6

PG, if you're reading this, I don't know which list you saw, but here's one with SOPA supporters that is probably the most comprehensive: http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/the-439-organizations-s...

Some of these companies are just so random... Why, for instance, does Adidas, L'Oreal, American Apparel, Rite Aid, Pfizer, etc. even have a stance on SOPA? I was rather disconcerted to see that Elsevier was on this list :(

Because they lose money to counterfeit knock offs.

There are people who would sell their country's freedom for a handful of cash. I consider them un-American traitors.

Re: Paul Graham: SOPA Supporting Companies No Longer Allowed At YC Demo Day

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Post by vijayr » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 9:22 PM UTC

may be we should stop watching the movies of the supporting studios (and giving them money directly or indirectly) - much harder to do, but would be quite effective