Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by ilamont » Fri, Dec 02, 2022, 4:43 PM UTC

Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve
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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by jfengel » Fri, Dec 02, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

We appear to be at Level 4 already:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/02/elon-musk-suspends-yes-twitt...

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by sosuke » Fri, Dec 02, 2022, 5:16 PM UTC

It all starts with images and video? Over simplification of course but leave off images, videos and make links not href. Would you be safer from this complicated mess? Then third party apps would probably come out enriching things. But not on our servers or under our moderation. Use a non-mono space font to cut down on ACSII art (^_^)b

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Post by machina_ex_deus » Fri, Dec 02, 2022, 5:31 PM UTC

90% of the problems come from laws not people. Except the CSAM laws (which are justified as they relate to real physical harm), I think all other laws shouldn't have existed. DMCA, hate speech, mocking presidents, it's all the same.

If you're dealing with law might as well just pay good lawyers and stick to your principles instead of gently bending over.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by martythemaniak » Fri, Dec 02, 2022, 5:38 PM UTC

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #4

90% of the problems come from laws not people. Except the CSAM laws (which are justified as they relate to real physical harm), I think all other laws shouldn't have existed. DMCA, hate speech, mocking presidents, it's all the same. If you're dealing with law might as well just pay good lawyers and stick to your principles instead of gently bending over.

I've always wondered, what are people like you doing on HN anyway, a forum that is really far away from any notion of free speech.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by mmastrac » Fri, Dec 02, 2022, 5:38 PM UTC

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead?

I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shouldn't explore the space to find it (and that we'll have to acknowledge it's a dynamic and changing boundary).

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by encryptluks2 » Fri, Dec 02, 2022, 5:40 PM UTC

mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

Yes it does, at least in the United States... but I imagine he determined that free speech has limits in other parts of the world.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by dragontamer » Fri, Dec 02, 2022, 5:41 PM UTC

mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

We all know Elon Musk is going to relearn the entire moderation curve. We're just amused that the dude thinks he is a genius, but is unable to think a step or two ahead.

The rules will come down, because they have to. If it took "Ye" posting a Swastika and saying Hitler was awesome to convince Elon then so be it. Elon will meet many, many other people who will push the moderation curve towards where everyone else has settled.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by AftHurrahWinch » Fri, Dec 02, 2022, 5:44 PM UTC

Is this the 12th time this article has been posted? @dang is there any chance HN will resume de-duplicating submissions in the future? Do you need a hand with anything? Don't tell my boss but I've got a few spare cycles this sprint. ;)

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