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Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by mattmaroon »

unalone wrote: post #119
mattmaroon wrote: post #118

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iTunes/iPod are the most tyrannical because they're the only place Apple is in charge. It's not right to excuse their DRM practices just because most music isn't purchased from it. It's still the number 1 music retailer. They've sold over 5 billion songs, most with DRM. They use a proprietary system to create vendor lock in. Their NDA for the iPhone, and the tyranny over the application store, are worse than anything…

But with iTunes, Jobs moved quickly to make iTunes Plus a possibility. And it's got more DRM-free music than its next-largest competitor, Amazon, does.

Moved quickly? It took over 6 years.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by ivank »

thomasmallen wrote: post #98
wizlb wrote: post #94

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Really? Kind of like the point that I was responding to? The one that made all those good points about how great Leper'd is? Oh, but since you mentioned it...no I didn't mean any of the things you mentioned. I value the flexibility of being able to do what I want to do, the way I want to do it. For instance, Apple is always trying to lock you into: their hardware, their iTunes store, their AppStore, their ONE way of…

From my point of view, Vista could be very secure and usable, but at the end of the day I need to be on a Unix box, and Cygwin doesn't quite cut it. This isn't in response to any particular comment, but it's based on a personal preference so I'm burying it here.

I don't mind running Linux in a virtual machine or PuTTYing into another host. If you have gigabit access to it, does it really matter if you must use two OSes to get the job done?

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by unalone »

mattmaroon wrote: post #121
unalone wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But with iTunes, Jobs moved quickly to make iTunes Plus a possibility. And it's got more DRM-free music than its next-largest competitor, Amazon, does.

Moved quickly? It took over 6 years.

The record companies are ceding ground very slowly. But Apple's been pushing for a long time. I mean, honestly, what do they have to GAIN from DRM? It's all a matter of the people they deal with.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by superjohan »

mattmaroon wrote: post #121
unalone wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But with iTunes, Jobs moved quickly to make iTunes Plus a possibility. And it's got more DRM-free music than its next-largest competitor, Amazon, does.

Moved quickly? It took over 6 years.

The iTunes Store hasn't existed six years.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

#125

Post by jimbokun »

mattmaroon wrote: post #118
jimbokun wrote: post #103

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I actually made this point once while working for Apple, saying it was like thinking about whether the other side had won World War II. But I think the point still stands that Microsoft has managed to cause far more harm during their reign than Apple, precisely because they have been more successful. I also think that Apple is somewhat constrained in the damage they can do, because Steve Jobs wants to be a Tyrant of…

iTunes/iPod are the most tyrannical because they're the only place Apple is in charge. It's not right to excuse their DRM practices just because most music isn't purchased from it. It's still the number 1 music retailer. They've sold over 5 billion songs, most with DRM. They use a proprietary system to create vendor lock in. Their NDA for the iPhone, and the tyranny over the application store, are worse than anything…

Just to reiterate, what you say is true, and I pointed out I conceded pretty much your major points to coworkers at Apple when I worked there (it was just a couple coworkers, and just a one time comment, but it did get a laugh of agreement).

My only argument is that Apple has caused much less damage than Microsoft because they have been less successful, and in that sense Microsoft maintains the greater negative karma balance. Difference between attempted murder and committed murder, I suppose.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by mattmaroon »

unalone wrote: post #123
mattmaroon wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moved quickly? It took over 6 years.

The record companies are ceding ground very slowly. But Apple's been pushing for a long time. I mean, honestly, what do they have to GAIN from DRM? It's all a matter of the people they deal with.

They gain vendor lock-in. Everyone who buys songs from iTunes with DRM is forced to either buy iPods forever, or lose the ability to play them on their player of choice.

Without the DRM, we'd see a much more fragmented player market. iPods might still be the leaders, but they'd almost certainly have a lower market share.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by mattmaroon »

jimbokun wrote: post #125
mattmaroon wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iTunes/iPod are the most tyrannical because they're the only place Apple is in charge. It's not right to excuse their DRM practices just because most music isn't purchased from it. It's still the number 1 music retailer. They've sold over 5 billion songs, most with DRM. They use a proprietary system to create vendor lock in. Their NDA for the iPhone, and the tyranny over the application store, are worse than anything…

Just to reiterate, what you say is true, and I pointed out I conceded pretty much your major points to coworkers at Apple when I worked there (it was just a couple coworkers, and just a one time comment, but it did get a laugh of agreement). My only argument is that Apple has caused much less damage than Microsoft because they have been less successful, and in that sense Microsoft maintains the greater negative karma…

To be honest, I have no negative feelings about either. They're both just doing what they feel is in their own best interests. That's the responsibility of a corporation.

I find the grudge most people in the community have against MS a little juvenile and not very well-reasoned.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by unalone »

mattmaroon wrote: post #127
unalone wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The record companies are ceding ground very slowly. But Apple's been pushing for a long time. I mean, honestly, what do they have to GAIN from DRM? It's all a matter of the people they deal with.

They gain vendor lock-in. Everyone who buys songs from iTunes with DRM is forced to either buy iPods forever, or lose the ability to play them on their player of choice. Without the DRM, we'd see a much more fragmented player market. iPods might still be the leaders, but they'd almost certainly have a lower market share.

I agree that that would have lost Apple some ground, but I think they'd still be vastly ahead of other people. The DRM doesn't stick people. The incredible branding does.

People think iPod sounds reliable, and MP3 player sounds unstable. They go for the iPod because they think it's the only one there is.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by thomasmallen »

ivank wrote: post #122
thomasmallen wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my point of view, Vista could be very secure and usable, but at the end of the day I need to be on a Unix box, and Cygwin doesn't quite cut it. This isn't in response to any particular comment, but it's based on a personal preference so I'm burying it here.

I don't mind running Linux in a virtual machine or PuTTYing into another host. If you have gigabit access to it, does it really matter if you must use two OSes to get the job done?

Good point. I'm actually considering the opposite: Linux running XP or Vista virtualized (mostly for browser testing, but also for Photoshop). Right now, I run Leopard with XP virtualized.
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