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Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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We use dissolvable tablets (from Blueland) with all "natural" ingredients; can't vouch for how true the natural claim is, but we're happy with them and it's one way to reduce plastic; we also get their dissolvable tablets for hand soap, all purpose cleaners, glass cleaner, etc.

Plenty of things that are “all natural” will kill you in the blink of an eye

Like arsenic

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The particulate result is dubious from what I've seen Most people keyed into this from the Vox article: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/5/7/21247602... Which links to: https://www.osti.gov/biblio/1172959 As evidence for the claim that Gas range put out more PM2.5 But if you consult table 3 of that article you will see it doesn't show that at all. The food (especially frying) swamps differences between…

When we lived in houses with gas, some difficult to remove yellow residue formed on the outsides of all our stainless steel. We assumed it was cooking oil, but apparently, it was not. Our induction range completely eliminated that problem. I wonder how much of the gunk is still in my lungs.

The real kicker is that most gas stoves leak. That residue might not have even been from USING the stove - it could have been from a very slow leak constantly coming out of the stove.

I took apart mine and completely greased all the fittings and put the proper type of teflon tape. Feel way better. Confirmed there are zero leaks now

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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I wonder about sulfates, specifically SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate - which has many whack-a-mole names). SLS is a surficant, and although not named in this study, it has been shown in other studies to interfere with mucous membranes (canker sores, etc) I would wonder if that happens in the gut too. It is in many things. toothpaste, shampoo, dishwasher and laundry detergents, and lots more Since people are trying to avo…

The article references another article about SLS in toothpaste (unfortunately not accessible without paying) - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00016357.2019.1... Just seeing that makes me want to switch toothpaste. There looks to be an 'Oral B Toothpaste Pure' that doesn't have SLS or colourants, might give that a go.

https://sci-hub.ru/https://doi.org/10.1080/00016357.2019.157...

Here's a non-paywalled copy of that same article.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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From other comments it's looking like this one of those US/European divide things, with compartments for salt being uncommon on US dishwashers except for a few rare higher-end models/brands that are likely common to both continents (due to low volume in the US not justifying a localized version, I'd guess). I'm middle-aged and in the US and this thread is the first time I've heard of adding salt to a dishwasher.

Seems to be not quite EU/US. At least in Ireland we don't have salt compartments either. Maybe an anglosphere/not division?

Anecdotes are not data and all that. The dishwasher in my house is a NEFF, and it has a salt compartment. Came with the house, built-in unit. So yes, some Irish houses have dishwashers with salt - sample size 1.

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I had issues severe enough to visit a gastroenterologist, which turned out to be caused by a water filter that wasn't being changed. I stopped consuming water going through that filter, and all symptoms went away within a day or two. It was stunning.

I don't touch water from a filter or (if I can avoid it) bottled water. Tap water in Sydney and most of Australia is excellent.

Same where I grew up. The town regularly won awards for far surpassing all the drinking water standards, even the super strict totally voluntary standards they additionally attempted to meet and exceed.

Then I moved to Houston. After talking with some water treatment engineers, I only drink bottled water here. Was very hard to change my habits.

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So what does this mean for all of us who buy coffee at coffee shops every morning? Will this cause serious problems long term since we are consuming residues of their dishwasher chemicals? One potential solution is to always get your coffee to go, but that probably only partly solves the problem.

You get paper mugs at some coffee shops. And at many you can ask to use your own reusable cup.

And those paper cups are covered with what? PFOA?

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I used to get canker sores every once in a while. I cut out SLS by purchasing Toms toothpaste, and that helped a lot. I would still get them though, maybe twice a year. The thing that finally fixed it was almonds. I stopped eating almonds and I’ve never had a canker sore since.

Same effect for me. SLS toothpaste gives me canker sores. Or at least prevents their healing

I also had to switch from SLS toothpaste. I used to use a thing called Rembrandt gentle, but they stopped selling that so I started using something called Squigle, which has atrocious branding but is just fine.

I have some amount of uncooked nut allergy and chocolate allergy that causes similar effects to SLS toothpaste. I'm still trying to figure it out.

I wanted to pass along this product I found a few years ago that really changed the game for me though, check out "Durham's Bee Farm, Inc. Canker-Rid."

This has been a problem for me since I was a kid, and all we had back then was Campho-Phenique and pain killing gels. Those things were / are awful. This bee stuff is absolutely amazing. 10/10 check it out.

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Fill the salt? Configure for water hardness? I've never heard of either of these things before. Certainly not things on my, relatively fancy, dishwasher.

Apparently in Europe and some other countries they don't do whole house water softeners?

Interestingly enough as normal as salt containers are in dishwashers as 'uncommon' are house wide water softeners to me.

I know a few people who have a single outlet for osmosis water, I use a optional water filter in the kitchen outlet for drinking water.

But nobody I know is softening their whole water supply. Why soften toilet water? Why soften cleaning water? Garden water?

Well for the last 2 I guess it depends on how hard it really is

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What size did you get and what size is your apartment? Just looked up Terrabloom and I want these yesterday.

I would personally get the silenced fans in the largest diameter you can afford / fits in your desired space because it will move larger amounts of air more quietly. The apartment was 700 sq. ft. I got the silenced 6" and it's reasonably quiet at most speeds, and not that loud at the highest speed -- putting filters at both intake and outlet greatly reduced the noise vs. just one side. If you get the filters and fans…

I've been running a similar setup next to my litter box for about 2 years using "Vivosun" products, which seem like a cheaper knockoff version of Terrabloom.

The Terrabloom stuff looks higher quality and I can't compare it directly to Vivosun, but I've got no complaints about my Vivosun duct fan or carbon filters. I'm not necessarily suggesting one brand over the other, but just to add that you can run a knockoff version of this setup for a lower cost.

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