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Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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What are you getting from a coffee shop that has been through a dishwasher? The mug?

Certain pieces of equipment are cleaned at the end of the night, so even if you bring your own mug you don't remove the possibility of leftover soap or sanitation solution residue.

Sanitizer is different than the stuff the article discusses:

https://fivestarchemicals.com/star-san-sanitizer-32-oz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodophor

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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It seems to me that a lazy person who reads or hears about this article and who worries about potential harm from dishwasher detergents is likely to run the cycle a second time with only water.

A rough calculation would seem to indicate that a complete rinse-only cycle would reduce residue levels to well into the safety zone but at the cost of double the water and possibly double the power (if hot water were used).

If this became a widespread concern and people acted this way then it wouldn't bode well for water conservation efforts.

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What happens when you microwave a detergent covered bowl? Or a plastic bowl? Not to mention a burrito wrapped in plastic… You are what you eat.

> What happens when you microwave a detergent covered bowl? So... what happens?

Some plastics are not food safe when heated and leach chemicals. Probably related to the concern the GP has.

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I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

There are so, so many cases like this with modern chemicals. Air fresheners in office bathrooms being another major “ghost” aggravation is another one. In general I low-key proselytize the practice of removing excess stuff from air using HEPA and carbon filters to make a space smell better, rather than adding even more shit to the air (candles, scented sprays, etc). Also the benefits of using “free and clear” product…

Do you use the carbon scrubbers in-line with your HVAC or did you rig of some kind of stand alone system?

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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It seems to me that a lazy person who reads or hears about this article and who worries about potential harm from dishwasher detergents is likely to run the cycle a second time with only water. A rough calculation would seem to indicate that a complete rinse-only cycle would reduce residue levels to well into the safety zone but at the cost of double the water and possibly double the power (if hot water were used). I…

Modern dish washers use under 4 gallons per cycle, so given you have at least one wash and one rise cycle, you’d only use a about 50% more if you are able to opt for rinse only.

Compare that to a 2.2 gallon per minute water/efficient kitchen faucet where you’ll approach the amount of water consumed by your triple cycle load after just 5 minutes of leaving your water running.

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I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

I wonder about sulfates, specifically SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate - which has many whack-a-mole names). SLS is a surficant, and although not named in this study, it has been shown in other studies to interfere with mucous membranes (canker sores, etc) I would wonder if that happens in the gut too. It is in many things. toothpaste, shampoo, dishwasher and laundry detergents, and lots more Since people are trying to avo…

The article references another article about SLS in toothpaste (unfortunately not accessible without paying) - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00016357.2019.1...

Just seeing that makes me want to switch toothpaste. There looks to be an 'Oral B Toothpaste Pure' that doesn't have SLS or colourants, might give that a go.

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> What happens when you microwave a detergent covered bowl? So... what happens?

Some plastics are not food safe when heated and leach chemicals. Probably related to the concern the GP has.

This is a fascinating topic because there is no practical way of knowing what food-related items (containers, utensils, washing up liquids) are safe to heat and what aren't. Indeed no one can track the makeup of everything in their kitchen that comes in contact with food.

Then there's the topic of items that are safe to use only in ideal conditions. Like Teflon in cookware that is said to be very safe unless it overheats, chips, or degrades in some way.

The more I think about this, the more it sounds like a blind spot for most people. So I'd like to know whether heated-up washing-up detergent/dishwasher detergent is associated with something unhealthy in a proven (or reasonable) way.

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post #116

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I wonder about sulfates, specifically SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate - which has many whack-a-mole names). SLS is a surficant, and although not named in this study, it has been shown in other studies to interfere with mucous membranes (canker sores, etc) I would wonder if that happens in the gut too. It is in many things. toothpaste, shampoo, dishwasher and laundry detergents, and lots more Since people are trying to avo…

The article references another article about SLS in toothpaste (unfortunately not accessible without paying) - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00016357.2019.1... Just seeing that makes me want to switch toothpaste. There looks to be an 'Oral B Toothpaste Pure' that doesn't have SLS or colourants, might give that a go.

I stopped getting canker sores some years ago after changing toothpastes. Having read of SLS, I assumed that was the culprit — but no, I read the ingredients and my new "good" toothpaste also has SLS. So whatever the change was, that wasn't it. For all I know it wasn't even the toothpaste at all!

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A. Watch his follow up video. Where he talks about all he got wrong. B. I recently switched to a more “natural” SevenGenerations pouch and holy crap it’s been excellent. C. You can not buy anything but pods at two of my grocery stores. You need to go to Walmart near me to find any straight powder. Market has spoken right or wrong.

We use dissolvable tablets (from Blueland) with all "natural" ingredients; can't vouch for how true the natural claim is, but we're happy with them and it's one way to reduce plastic; we also get their dissolvable tablets for hand soap, all purpose cleaners, glass cleaner, etc.

I tried the dishwasher tablets and felt like it didn’t clean the dishes as well. We been using the hand soap and other cleaners and I’m never going back on those. Maybe I need to give the dishwasher tabs a try again.

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Seems to be not quite EU/US. At least in Ireland we don't have salt compartments either. Maybe an anglosphere/not division?

Really odd that it differs so close to neighbouring countries. Here (UK) I've never seen a Dishwasher without a salt hole, and there's often several well know brands of salt in the supermarket (no idea why, its all the same stuff). I wonder if its based on average water hardness in the area. I'm in the north of England and our supply comes out of Buxton Springs (yep the same as Buxton bottled water) and is extremly s…

In the US you would install a house water softener that would soften the water when it comes into the house. It would only be used in areas with hard water. Our dishwashers usually use hot water rinses instead of cold water like European style ones, the hot water heaters will soft the water before it gets to the appliance.
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