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Accelerando (2005)

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Re: Accelerando (2005)

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This is one of my favorite sci-fi books of all time. The explorations into autonomous corporations comprised primarily from software as some of the main economic and legal actors was quite interesting.

I still think about the bit where they weaponized a sentient alien pyramid scheme.

And then we got bitcoin. When you read good satire, bet on the world falling for it in the future.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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If you liked Accelerando (and I sure did!), you may also like Stross's Palimpsest and Glasshouse [1].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palimpsest_(novella)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasshouse_(novel)

The rougher The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect by Roger Williams is also worth trying:

http://localroger.com/prime-intellect/

Also A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge, and Ken MacLeod's Fall Revolution series. The latter can be read out of order; I read The Cassini Division before any of the others. Excession by Iain M. Banks is also one of my favorites, though it has a significant learning curve if you haven't read any of his Culture books before. All of these have things to say about runaway technological change and superintelligence. They all have a high "sensawunda" index, for those who recognize this old SF fan term.

[1] I have read and enjoyed most of Stross's output, but it has a lot of thematic variations and someone who loved Accelerando may not care for e.g. Rule 34.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Structurally, the book is a mess. But it is a narrative disaster much like Snow Crash , in which it doesn't matter because you're so busy trying to integrate all the mind candy you don't notice until a re-read. I feel like there are other science fiction books like this - overstuffed with lovely things to think about, from an author who is either inexperienced or doesn't care about the craft side. (In this case, Char…

I liked it, but I ended up only reading the boldface text.

Very prescient in what we are seeing in the media today. The vile offspring eventually simulated every permutation that could be simulated.

Today we quickly see everything than can be claimed about an issue is claimed.

TL:DR; If lobsters ask for your help, do so.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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If you liked Accelerando (and I sure did!), you may also like Stross's Palimpsest and Glasshouse [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palimpsest_(novella) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasshouse_(novel) The rougher The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect by Roger Williams is also worth trying: http://localroger.com/prime-intellect/ Also A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge, and Ken MacLeod's Fall Revolution series. The l…

Worth noting the author's warning on TMoPI: "This online novel contains strong language and extreme depictions of acts of sex and violence." This is very much not a routine notice, and it runs the gamut from elder abuse to self-mutilation to suicide to torture to necrophilia to drug abuse to underage sex. It is fascinating, but it is a story of deeply unhealthy people doing deeply unhealthy things.

I say this as someone who appreciated it enough to buy it hardcopy.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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There is so much to love about this book. I read it twice, back to back. It's probably one of the more concept-dense books you'll read from the period, but unlike lots of scifi lit stross wrote a very solid story that's worth reading in it's own right.

Another good book by Stross that doesn't get much love is Saturn's Children. it has the same inventivness and story-telling prowess. the most outrageous elements of the story are the very glue that make the whole thing more tractable.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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Do please note that Stross is quite well known not to a fan of the idea of the Singularity, and that his book should not be taken as a manual for the future, and rather as a cautionary tale and fantastically creative techno future

> Some of you might assume that, as the author of books like "Singularity Sky" and "Accelerando", I attribute this to an impending technological singularity, to our development of self-improving artificial intelligence and mind uploading and the whole wish-list of transhumanist aspirations promoted by the likes of Ray Kurzweil. Unfortunately this isn't the case. I think transhumanism is a warmed-over Christian heresy. While its adherents tend to be vehement atheists, they can't quite escape from the history that gave rise to our current western civilization. Many of you are familiar with design patterns, an approach to software engineering that focusses on abstraction and simplification in order to promote reusable code. When you look at the AI singularity as a narrative, and identify the numerous places in the story where the phrase "... and then a miracle happens" occurs, it becomes apparent pretty quickly that they've reinvented Christianity.

> Indeed, the wellsprings of today's transhumanists draw on a long, rich history of Russian Cosmist philosophy exemplified by the Russian Orthodox theologian Nikolai Fyodorvitch Federov, by way of his disciple Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, whose derivation of the rocket equation makes him essentially the father of modern spaceflight. And once you start probing the nether regions of transhumanist thought and run into concepts like Roko's Basilisk—by the way, any of you who didn't know about the Basilisk before are now doomed to an eternity in AI hell—you realize they've mangled it to match some of the nastiest ideas in Presybterian Protestantism.

> If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. And if it looks like a religion it's probably a religion. I don't see much evidence for human-like, self-directed artificial intelligences coming along any time now, and a fair bit of evidence that nobody except some freaks in university cognitive science departments even want it. What we're getting, instead, is self-optimizing tools that defy human comprehension but are not, in fact, any more like our kind of intelligence than a Boeing 737 is like a seagull. So I'm going to wash my hands of the singularity as an explanatory model without further ado—I'm one of those vehement atheists too—and try and come up with a better model for what's happening to us.

https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2018/01/dude-yo...

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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I don't think the lack of coherency is a problem I think it's part of the experience of being an obsolete meat machine that is getting a direct injection of the future right into your brain. If you feel slightly confused about the rushed pace of the story good because that's how everyone else is feeling experiencing it, it's a wild ride, you're not entirely sure what's going on but it sure is simulating.

Also another relation, I see qntm's RA as a more recent rewrite of this story but with a rather different ending.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still think about the bit where they weaponized a sentient alien pyramid scheme.

And then we got bitcoin. When you read good satire, bet on the world falling for it in the future.

I was going to say - that was the part of the book that felt the least plausible when I first read it, but by god, here we are.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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post #11

Structurally, the book is a mess. But it is a narrative disaster much like Snow Crash , in which it doesn't matter because you're so busy trying to integrate all the mind candy you don't notice until a re-read. I feel like there are other science fiction books like this - overstuffed with lovely things to think about, from an author who is either inexperienced or doesn't care about the craft side. (In this case, Char…

Sometimes the style of writing is part of the message too. Like with qntm's Lena (https://qntm.org/mmacevedo) that looks like a Wikipedia's page. A rushed writing on the topic of going too fast could be appropriate.

Re: Accelerando (2005)

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If you liked Accelerando (and I sure did!), you may also like Stross's Palimpsest and Glasshouse [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palimpsest_(novella) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasshouse_(novel) The rougher The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect by Roger Williams is also worth trying: http://localroger.com/prime-intellect/ Also A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge, and Ken MacLeod's Fall Revolution series. The l…

I have yet to read Accelerando, but Glasshouse was amazing. It definitely gets my endorsement.

I would further suggest that anyone who likes Glasshouse might like Permutation City by Greg Egan.

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