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Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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Hey HN, it’s been 8 years since I posted on here about the launch of my Japanese dictionary app Nihongo [0] and I’m finally back with a new app: Nihongo Lessons!

Think of Nihongo Lessons as the textbook to Nihongo’s dictionary. It’s an app for learning Japanese, specifically made for learners who are serious about becoming fluent, and want a guided set of content that will help them efficiently acquire vocabulary and grammar.

The project came about when Adam Shapiro of Japanese Level Up (Jalup) [1] announced last April that he was shutting Jalup down. As a fan of Adam’s work I was bummed to hear the news, but realized I actually might be one of the few people in the world in a position to keep his work alive. So I reached out, and we came up with a deal where I would sell Jalup content in my apps.

Originally it was envisioned as an add-on to Nihongo, but after starting to build this out it became clear that from a UX perspective it felt too bloated and tacked-on to just shove Jalup into Nihongo. Plus, given that Jalup is built around one-time content purchases, and Nihongo is a subscription, the purchases involved would feel convoluted, and people might be upset that they weren’t included in the Nihongo subscription.

So, I started building a separate app that would become Nihongo Lessons. From a technical perspective, Nihongo Lessons is actually just a different entry point into essentially the same app bundle as Nihongo. This gives me a lot of the infrastructure (sync, error reporting, screenshot generation, etc.) of Nihongo for free, and makes it easy to share UI, which I do a fair amount of (flashcards, tutorials, settings). Everything that actually changes behavior between the apps is stored in a single file as an “app variant” configuration, so if I decide to create another companion app in the future, it should be even easier.

It’s iPhone-only for now, but iPad will be coming soon. No plans for an Android release at the moment.

Download: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1640204242

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10094326

[1]: https://japaneselevelup.com

Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition
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Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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Looks great and I am your target customer prior language experience but very out of practice and wanting to go from adequacy to fluency), but why phone-only? I was quite disappointed as I have a Mac but don't own an iPhone, and while I'd be willing to pay for this I don't want to buy a new device just to try it out. Another reason is that for study I actually like to sit at a desk and make notes with a pencil on paper.

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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Looks great and I am your target customer prior language experience but very out of practice and wanting to go from adequacy to fluency), but why phone-only? I was quite disappointed as I have a Mac but don't own an iPhone, and while I'd be willing to pay for this I don't want to buy a new device just to try it out. Another reason is that for study I actually like to sit at a desk and make notes with a pencil on pape…

Thanks! Phone-only for now just because I wanted to get it out the door and focus on polishing a single user experience, but I definitely plan on adding iPad support soon. That's good feedback that you like studying on your Mac, I'll consider putting together a Mac version as well (although the iPad version will at least run decently well on any Apple-Silicon Mac).

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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Spotted some typo (Nihnogo), so you might want to double check your spelling.

I'm not sure if it is a personal thing, but I would like to have an idea of your pricing before trying your app, and it was not clear from the web page.

This one might be subjective, but I've lived in Japan a couple of years and it is quite rare to hear somebody saying 見ましょう in the context of your example. I get the point is to teach the grammar, but if you claim your app lead people to fluency, there might be better examples to show up in your screenshots. Maybe I'm not the target customer, but I get the feeling I'll be learning more for passing the jlpt tests and less for the real world.

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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The Japanese learning space feels so crowded. Most are marketed towards beginners, which makes sense when you see statistics (most folks give up).

The top tier tools I recommend anyone are Wanikani and Bunpro.

Beyond that, reading!

I tried a site dedicated to it, but realized that I'm too much of a picky reader to do anything but read things I find interesting.

So I read japanese and english books side by side now.

I wish there was a better way, but tools crafted for intermediate folks just don't have a market given the small subset who gets there.

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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post #6

Spotted some typo (Nihnogo), so you might want to double check your spelling. I'm not sure if it is a personal thing, but I would like to have an idea of your pricing before trying your app, and it was not clear from the web page. This one might be subjective, but I've lived in Japan a couple of years and it is quite rare to hear somebody saying 見ましょう in the context of your example. I get the point is to teach the gr…

Oh thanks! I swear I must've read that typo 100 times and never noticed it. Good point about the pricing and 見ましょう examples, I'll consider changing it to something else.

Re: Show HN: A Japanese learning app focused on efficient vocab/grammar acquisition

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post #7

The Japanese learning space feels so crowded. Most are marketed towards beginners, which makes sense when you see statistics (most folks give up). The top tier tools I recommend anyone are Wanikani and Bunpro. Beyond that, reading! I tried a site dedicated to it, but realized that I'm too much of a picky reader to do anything but read things I find interesting. So I read japanese and english books side by side now. I…

Yeah, I'm trying to fill that gap a bit here.

My app Nihongo was the app I built for myself when I was getting to the advanced level, and wanted to focus on learning from native content. It helps automatically create flashcards from words you look up, OCR, etc.

Nihongo Lessons is a companion app for people that want something more guided to help them learn vocab/grammar. It covers everything from beginner-advanced, but is probably most suited for intermediate folks who want to make a push towards advanced.

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