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Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by Pilottwave »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #123
Pilottwave wrote: post #119

lots of criticism for brave in this thread. they are the best privacy browser at the moment based on leakage tests for default settings. they got a working add-blocker by default. they have privacy preserving ads because of local in browser matching, your data never leaves the browser for the ads, the ads come to you! they even pay you for watching the ads, and enable you to support creators. I feel we finally have a…

>But the web3 space is booming Is it?

lots of projects, and interest has boomed last year because there has been lots of money sloshing around. but it's very much the wild west. just look for cool tech and not for get rich quick schemes and your bound to find something to your liking!

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by paulcole »

prmoustache wrote: post #118
paulcole wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any amount for which you would’ve instantly signed up and started paying or would even $1 a month still be something you “might give a try” (read: won’t do in a million years)?

I won't pay for anything if that doesn't provide me decent search results. This is where the "might give a try" comes from and I would definitely try the version with ads first because I would hate creating an account and giving my card number to another service if I am not 100% sure I am interested. I would also want to know if I need to pay that amont per user in my household or if I would need as many accounts per…

Jesus Christ. First it was $3/month seems like a decent price that you might try if you weren’t already running an ad blocker. Then it’s there’s no price cheap enough if it’s not decent search results. Then it’s well I need to know how many people per account and then it’s I’d have to talk it over with my partners.

You can just say there’s a 0% chance you’d pay $1 a month and that you’d always have an excuse for why this option isn’t good enough for your high standards.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

#133

Post by ajsnigrutin »

hunterb123 wrote: post #109
travisgriggs wrote: post #105

This statement (second paragraph) > Ads are a key part of search engines, helping to facilitate the free and open exchange of information on the Web, and to connect users to helpful products and services related to their search terms. Is just non sequitur for me. It's said in such a smooth way, in such a gaslight-ish way, that your tempted to just accept it. But it actually makes no sense to me. I get what ads are ke…

You've never opened a newspaper up to the classifieds? Those are ads. You may not know of a tree cutting service until you look there. You may not know where to get a car part until you look there. Having ads riddled throughout the internet is one thing, but having a directory where ads are supposed to be is another. Yes billboards are annoying, that doesn't make classifieds equal. (oh and you could just pay $3/mo or…

But there's a difference if you're searching for a tree cutting service in the yellow pages, or if you're googling a chainsaw sharpener, and you get a tree cutting service ad.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

#134

Post by blacksmith_tb »

paulcole wrote: post #61
prmoustache wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks 3$/month looks like a decent price to me. I might give it a try although I am already running an ad blocker on my browser.

Is there any amount for which you would’ve instantly signed up and started paying or would even $1 a month still be something you “might give a try” (read: won’t do in a million years)?

At $1 it would be a no-brainer for me, but one possible argument I can see is that a flat fee is a funny arrangement here - I pay $3/mo if I make 100 searches a day, or 1, or none. If the idea is that it would only be fair to Brave to pay them for what they aren't making by showing me ads, you might think it would make more sense to have me pay for exactly how much they lose, not less or more?

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by iLoveOncall »

hunterb123 wrote: post #108
iLoveOncall wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By "product" I meant the whole Brave ecosystem actually.

Okay what problems in the whole ecosystem do you mean? You stated your opinion, but you forgot to add your reasoning.

What this guy said basically: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33820597

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by the_third_wave »

puchatek wrote: post #97
Archipelagia wrote: post #41

Not the biggest fan of Brave myself, but they seem to actually get extra points in my eyes for adding the paid option. It's not like you can pay $3 to Google to get them to stop surveilling you. On a bigger note, monetizing search without ads seem to be a pretty tricky business model. Especially if you want to move beyond being a niche product; even an average HN reader would be hard to convince to pay for a regular…

I would pay Google 30 just for search+maps of it came without tracking and ads

They'd happily take your money and track and ad-bomb you anyway, the ads will be ingeniously disguised as "valuable information" but they'd be there.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by grammers »

I prefer paying for services, e.g. Tutanota, Anonaddy, Bitwarden, Guardian. Why do people take everything on the web for free? Of course, companies need to make money - if not with subs, then with ads. What else should they do?

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by dismalpedigree »

hunterb123 wrote: post #109
travisgriggs wrote: post #105

This statement (second paragraph) > Ads are a key part of search engines, helping to facilitate the free and open exchange of information on the Web, and to connect users to helpful products and services related to their search terms. Is just non sequitur for me. It's said in such a smooth way, in such a gaslight-ish way, that your tempted to just accept it. But it actually makes no sense to me. I get what ads are ke…

You've never opened a newspaper up to the classifieds? Those are ads. You may not know of a tree cutting service until you look there. You may not know where to get a car part until you look there. Having ads riddled throughout the internet is one thing, but having a directory where ads are supposed to be is another. Yes billboards are annoying, that doesn't make classifieds equal. (oh and you could just pay $3/mo or…

If ads are truly so useful, perhaps they should withhold them unless you pay $3/mo.

Oh right. They are a negative user experience and bring revenue in without providing any value (possibly negative value) to the user.

Nothing groundbreaking here, but lets not pretend this is anything but a money grab.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

#139

Post by prmoustache »

paulcole wrote: post #132
prmoustache wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't pay for anything if that doesn't provide me decent search results. This is where the "might give a try" comes from and I would definitely try the version with ads first because I would hate creating an account and giving my card number to another service if I am not 100% sure I am interested. I would also want to know if I need to pay that amont per user in my household or if I would need as many accounts per…

Jesus Christ. First it was $3/month seems like a decent price that you might try if you weren’t already running an ad blocker. Then it’s there’s no price cheap enough if it’s not decent search results. Then it’s well I need to know how many people per account and then it’s I’d have to talk it over with my partners. You can just say there’s a 0% chance you’d pay $1 a month and that you’d always have an excuse for why…

hmmm no.

What is the use of paying a service if the search engine results are so crap you will use something else in the end?

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by paulcole »

prmoustache wrote: post #139
paulcole wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jesus Christ. First it was $3/month seems like a decent price that you might try if you weren’t already running an ad blocker. Then it’s there’s no price cheap enough if it’s not decent search results. Then it’s well I need to know how many people per account and then it’s I’d have to talk it over with my partners. You can just say there’s a 0% chance you’d pay $1 a month and that you’d always have an excuse for why…

hmmm no. What is the use of paying a service if the search engine results are so crap you will use something else in the end?

> Thanks 3$/month looks like a decent price to me. I might give it a try

From everything you said since, it sounds like you had no intention of giving it a try.

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