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Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by shimon_e »

ohashi wrote: post #22
citricsquid wrote: post #2

To put it frankly, godaddy don't give a shit. Their domain business exists as a way to get people into their other products, hosting, whois privacy etc. the ones that actually make money (nobody makes money on domains nowadays, savvy customers use coupons which godaddy provides a lot of). This won't do anything to Godaddy as a business, they'll be losing customers they don't care about -- unless people shutting off t…

Even with their extreme coupon usage, from what I can tell they are still not using them as loss leaders (if we ignore all costs besides registry/icann). You also neglect to see the effect of thousands or tens of thousands of savvy people actively changing their mind about a company and NOT recommending it to people or bad mouthing the company. My suspicion is, the kind of people reading HN/Reddit are also the type o…

I'm sure they are lossing money when you use a coupon to get the domain down to $1.18.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by citricsquid »

ohashi wrote: post #22
citricsquid wrote: post #2

To put it frankly, godaddy don't give a shit. Their domain business exists as a way to get people into their other products, hosting, whois privacy etc. the ones that actually make money (nobody makes money on domains nowadays, savvy customers use coupons which godaddy provides a lot of). This won't do anything to Godaddy as a business, they'll be losing customers they don't care about -- unless people shutting off t…

Even with their extreme coupon usage, from what I can tell they are still not using them as loss leaders (if we ignore all costs besides registry/icann). You also neglect to see the effect of thousands or tens of thousands of savvy people actively changing their mind about a company and NOT recommending it to people or bad mouthing the company. My suspicion is, the kind of people reading HN/Reddit are also the type o…

Not sure what prices you're paying with godaddy, but the absolute base cost (assuming godaddy don't have deals with verisign) is $7.52. If I go to the godaddy site now I can register a new domain for $5.02 (current converted) and I don't believe I have ever paid over $7.99 for a domain at godaddy, most of the time I get it below $7. They also routinely do ($1 + $0.18 ICANN fee) domains as others have mentioned

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by maximusprime »

praptak wrote: post #30
maximusprime wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "Open Internet" mean though? You can't reasonably support free speech in all instances, just like you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. It's the listing of those exceptions and how you deal with them that's the tricky bit. So saying "I support an open internet" is just ignoring the issue.

> you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. Why? I am fine with the internet not blocking anything at all, even though I accept limits on free speech. To drag the "speech" analogy further, I can shout whatever I want and I'm ok with the fact that in some cases this can bring consequences.

So if a company starts infringing trademarks, polluting search engines en masse, tricking people into buying their rubbish, phishing their details, getting credit card details etc, you'd be fine with that?

What about people who DDoS attack you? Is that fine? No need to have any recourse there?

How about those that hack DNS to dupe people into visiting their site etc

Those are all "Open Internet", but they're also not very nice.

I don't think it's as clear cut as some make it.

I don't know if SOPA gets it right or wrong, or if the current laws are sufficient, but I'm glad we have some of those laws in place to make the internet a slightly nicer place.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by notahacker »

moocow01 wrote: post #14

I would expect that SOPA on the whole would discourage domain registration and the general development of web properties amongst the masses so I'm a bit surprised GoDaddy supports it just from a business perspective. Anyone care to enlighten me about what I'm missing here?

As I understand it SOPA results in a shift of the burden for policing content from registrars and hosts towards government bodies and the administrators of the DNS system. Alternatively-framed bills introduced in the name of combating piracy could have much more damaging implications for Godaddy.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by revscat »

maximusprime wrote: post #24
freejack wrote: post #12

This blog post from their lead lobbyist defending their support is absolutely grating. http://rudysyndrome.com/2011/10/28/online-copyright-laws-won... "Most of what we are seeing is either 1) rhetoric, 2) regurgitated lobbying spin, 3) criticism of language we have already fixed, or 4) retweets by people who like to steal music and buy fake, but cheap, goods." Ugh. (oBDisclaimer: I work for a registrar that unequivoc…

What does "Open Internet" mean though? You can't reasonably support free speech in all instances, just like you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. It's the listing of those exceptions and how you deal with them that's the tricky bit. So saying "I support an open internet" is just ignoring the issue.

My list of what should be legally restricted in its availability is as follows:

1) Child pornography

End list.

National security is not enough of a reason for restrictions. Copyright is not enough of a reason. Further, the assumption that corporations or governments have exclusive moral authority to determine what constitutes impermissible material is, frankly, ridiculous. Giving them the authority to make such decisions is destructive, to both freedom and economy.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by shimon_e »

libraryatnight wrote: post #8
gravitronic wrote: post #4

alternate: use godaddy, but only their loss-leading coupons when they appear. For example, I registered a domain last week using a code that got me $1.00 domain registration. The code expired last week unfortunately so posting it would be irrelevant.

I always do a coupon search, or just take the code from whatever their lowest Google ad price is. Just google "domains" they're always the first ad for me, and it's usually 4.99, 5.99, or 7.99 at the absolute most. (For .coms)

Or if you follow a deal website, you'll be notified when they are running a $1.18 coupon.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by gerggerg »

citricsquid wrote: post #2

To put it frankly, godaddy don't give a shit. Their domain business exists as a way to get people into their other products, hosting, whois privacy etc. the ones that actually make money (nobody makes money on domains nowadays, savvy customers use coupons which godaddy provides a lot of). This won't do anything to Godaddy as a business, they'll be losing customers they don't care about -- unless people shutting off t…

These are horrible reasons to not stand up for what you think is right.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by neutronicus »

jonursenbach wrote: post #23
gravitronic wrote: post #4

alternate: use godaddy, but only their loss-leading coupons when they appear. For example, I registered a domain last week using a code that got me $1.00 domain registration. The code expired last week unfortunately so posting it would be irrelevant.

Why even support them at all?

S/he's saying you should only buy things on which you're pretty sure they're losing money, so that you're actively hurting them by buying them. It's like buying a PS3 and never buying any games - I suspect people buying PS3's by the truckload to use as Linux clusters is what made Sony pull the Linux support.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by ceejayoz »

gravitronic wrote: post #4

alternate: use godaddy, but only their loss-leading coupons when they appear. For example, I registered a domain last week using a code that got me $1.00 domain registration. The code expired last week unfortunately so posting it would be irrelevant.

Same thing's true for their SSL certificates. $12 if you Google, $60+ if you don't.
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