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Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by gabeio »

INeedMoreRam wrote: post #48
mberning wrote: post #32

I have been enjoying Kagi. Don’t mind the $10 per month to support something that caters to me rather than advertisers.

Did you create a new “bogus”email address when you signed up for their service to hide your identity? Or were you okay with giving them your real email address? I feel uncomfortable potentially having my searches linked to my real email and/or name.

I don’t but honestly I don’t search for things often that I need anonymity, I use kagi more because it seems better than the other search engines at getting the results I care about at the top and not a huge amount of ads or junk posts at the top. They claim to keep the searches as anonymous as possible, and they have been through an audit so hopefully true.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by mattboardman »

deltree7 wrote: post #73
mattboardman wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave has never tried to be ad free. Instead the goal is to encourage less intrusive and more benign ads.

Only a HNer will twist themselves in a logic knot claiming "I prefer to be bombarded with ads that aren't relevant to me"

This reply appears to be both a strawman (I never said anything about my preferences) and an ad hominem attack (Diminishing my comment bc of who I am).

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by ericholscher »

musk_micropenis wrote: post #20

A lot of angry comments in here, but the post says there's an ad-free paid version, > Ads will give users the option to use our independent search engine with ads that don’t track them, or to sign up for ad-free paid search Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? Or do you expect software companies to work for free? (Presumably not the companies you work for).

Glad to see other folks investing in ethical advertising. It's something we've been working on for a long time over at https://ethicalads.io/ -- and it's an important step forward in improving how ads are served. With the advances in ML, we're investing in content-based targeting, which we can do as a display network. But search ads have so much context built in, they don't need to track you.

> A lot of angry comments in here, but the post says there's an ad-free paid version,

People in the comments here who have expectations that products be free, but also not include ads, are a continual problem with the discourse around this stuff. It's quite tiring and repetitive. Brave is even giving you the option to opt out of ads by paying a very reasonable $3/mo. I'm not sure what else you could ask for -- ads that don't surveil you, and the option to pay a reasonable amount to opt out of them.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by soundnote »

rabuse wrote: post #30
spaniard89277 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have a paid option. It's paying or ads. Running a search engine is not free. Somebody has to pay for it.

That's not the problem. The problem is they sold their service as one thing, and then completely switch on the users down the line, instead of being honest upfront.

They've been very upfront that Brave Search will have ads one day in my experience.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by pretext »

satvikpendem wrote: post #68
pretext wrote: post #53

Genuinely interested why do people keep using Brave instead of LibreWolf or ungoogled-chromium? EDIT: LibreWolf Browser: A custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom. https://librewolf.net/ ungoogled-chromium: A lightweight approach to removing Google web service dependency https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium

Or Firefox. Especially with Manifest v3 looming.

LibreWolf is just a Firefox with telemetry removed.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by mattboardman »

Barrin92 wrote: post #27
mattboardman wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave has never tried to be ad free. Instead the goal is to encourage less intrusive and more benign ads.

hard to see how that meaningfully differentiates them from everyone else given that this is what all the ad platforms seem to be moving towards with topic/cohort based ads and third party cookies on the way out.

I guess they have failed in marketing the differentiation then (if there is one). I was just clarifying the product in question, never promised an ad free product.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by gabeio »

mind-blight wrote: post #52
ohCh6zos wrote: post #9

If you haven't checked out Kagi, it has been a pleasure to use.

They seem really cool. But, I was reading the FAQ, and they claim it costs about $1 to process 80 searches. That seems extremely high. I would have expected that the up-front cost of creating and storing indexes is very expensive, but the cost of user searches to be so low that they're nearly negligible. Okay, it sounds like they lose money with each new added user

I believe they are doing some search aggregation from multiple sources and from what they say they do not seem to be caching results much.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by soundnote »

satvikpendem wrote: post #68
pretext wrote: post #53

Genuinely interested why do people keep using Brave instead of LibreWolf or ungoogled-chromium? EDIT: LibreWolf Browser: A custom version of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom. https://librewolf.net/ ungoogled-chromium: A lightweight approach to removing Google web service dependency https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium

Or Firefox. Especially with Manifest v3 looming.

Brave Shields won't care about Manifest v3 even the tiniest bit. The shields are not a browser extension so extension APIs don't have any bearing on their functionality.
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