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Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by Archipelagia »

Not the biggest fan of Brave myself, but they seem to actually get extra points in my eyes for adding the paid option. It's not like you can pay $3 to Google to get them to stop surveilling you.

On a bigger note, monetizing search without ads seem to be a pretty tricky business model. Especially if you want to move beyond being a niche product; even an average HN reader would be hard to convince to pay for a regular subscription, so with the general public I can't imaging the hassle.

What are other ways search engines could monetize without taking money either from users or from people that want to show something to them?

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by prmoustache »

derefr wrote: post #35
prmoustache wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where? I don't see any account management in https://search.brave.com/

Following the link from TFA (under "Search Premium") leads to https://account.brave.com/?intent=checkout&product=search

Thanks 3$/month looks like a decent price to me. I might give it a try although I am already running an ad blocker on my browser.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by Semaphor »

derefr wrote: post #33
paulcole wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Apple or Brave ever say “no ads”? In the case of Brave (and every business), somebody’s got to hand money to someone in order to keep the lights on.

Brave (the browser) has a built-in ad-blocker, the existence of which could be taken as an implicit stance by its creators on how they feel about ads.

The browser also has a built-in ad-replacer which tells you even more about how they feel about ads.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by bogwog »

pueblo3616 wrote: post #24

Do you work for free? A company has to make money to survive and pay its employees. Brave blocks third-party ads, not all ads.

> A company has to make money to survive and pay its employees.

So why do they give their product away for free? To lure naive/optimistic people in so they can be exploited later? Why should a company like that survive?

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by pndy »

ohCh6zos wrote: post #9

If you haven't checked out Kagi, it has been a pleasure to use.

No way to test it by yourself - you can try the provided examples; it relies on others indexes and mentions in documentation "You can think of Kagi as a "search client"". It requires an account in the first place and I can't see a word about pricing.

Pass for me but maybe someone will be interested

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by Apocryphon »

pocketarc wrote: post #13

Ads seem to be a modern virus that infects everything. Everyone who claims "no ads", eventually turns their back on that once they get big enough, even companies with more than enough money from their own products (e.g. Apple, Netflix). I've never seen anything so powerful. I guess it comes down to "no business would say no to free money", but it really is incredible.

What 15 years of ZIRP does to a mfer

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by INeedMoreRam »

mberning wrote: post #32

I have been enjoying Kagi. Don’t mind the $10 per month to support something that caters to me rather than advertisers.

Did you create a new “bogus”email address when you signed up for their service to hide your identity?

Or were you okay with giving them your real email address?

I feel uncomfortable potentially having my searches linked to my real email and/or name.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by three_seagrass »

thijser wrote: post #5
dhaavi wrote: post #3

Their example screenshot shows their own VPN as the first result for "VPN". Reminds me of this other search engine.

The "other" search engine (you mean Google with Google maps/shopping recommendations etc. right?) didn't buy ads in its own system competing on a level playing field with competitors, but created new space for its own products that was inaccessible to any competitors. In other words, Brave seems to be doing the right thing here by promoting its own products in the same way that any competing product can.

Google Shopping is just paid search ads with pictures. I'm sure Brave will add that functionality soon too.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by pueblo3616 »

bogwog wrote: post #44
pueblo3616 wrote: post #24

Do you work for free? A company has to make money to survive and pay its employees. Brave blocks third-party ads, not all ads.

> A company has to make money to survive and pay its employees. So why do they give their product away for free? To lure naive/optimistic people in so they can be exploited later? Why should a company like that survive?

Yeah sure, rant more on Brave, and stay silent about Google.
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