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Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden

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Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden

#171

Next up: Basilisk Chess Two players compete to win a chess game, where you only win if you work tirelessly to play perfect chess moves on every turn (as determined by benevolent artificial superintelligence). The loser is tortured in a virtual reality simulation.

If I refuse to play am I also tortured

I think that's kinda the default. It sounds really bad until you realise it's also the default in Darwinian evolution, which, hi.

Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden

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post #13

A simpler variation, that needs no computer to settle disputes, is Veto Chess. In Veto Chess you get one chance per game to veto your opponent's last move, and force them to make a different one. This shares with Human Chess the property that you can win by checking the king such that the response is forced. It may also serve as a handicap system in games between players of widely different strength, where only the w…

Ok, I take your protected queen with my queen and veto you taking mine on next move.

How did we get here?

Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden

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True you could have a ghost piece of the computers move and you just can’t move there.

I'm not a chess player but wouldn't that give too much information away? Not knowing what is the "best" move is part of the game, isn't it?

This is a completely different game than regular chess, so I don't know if it is part of the game or not.

Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden

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So, everyone has to play to lose and who loses first wins? If I leave my king open to checkmate, the best move from AI would be to take that.. but the opponent cannot do that. So, I get to leave my key pieces open and the opponent tries to do the same??

Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden

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It's a cool concept but the first naive thought that comes to mind for me is that white could just easily dominate by taking advantage of the fact that taking a queen is almost always the top engine move. So just by maintaining relative king safety on white's side, you just open your queen early and make sure that every move there onwards hangs your queen in some fashion. It's very easy to hang a queen. You just have…

I bet if you hang your queen 5-6 times, for one of those, taking the queen won't be the top move. Just think about if your queen would _still_ be hanging after a check that maybe captures some other piece first. And then that strategy has lost you your queen.

Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden

#178

It's a cool concept but the first naive thought that comes to mind for me is that white could just easily dominate by taking advantage of the fact that taking a queen is almost always the top engine move. So just by maintaining relative king safety on white's side, you just open your queen early and make sure that every move there onwards hangs your queen in some fashion. It's very easy to hang a queen. You just have…

My intuition would be checking every move and disallow those (no claiming, transparent comparison on every move)

We can argue if a forced move ends the game, or just allows it.

This would (more) move the game forwards in the basic historical rule-set.

- giz

Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden

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post #15

Now: Human Chess: a variant where you can't play what AI would play. Next: AI that can play Human Chess. After: Human^2 Chess: you can't play what the AI above would play. etc I wonder if this creates distinctly new games at each level, or if it's just nonsense one level down.

Wouldn't the perfect AI for Human^2 Chess be just the original AI you started with?

Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden

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post #81

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I like the idea of not being allowed to use any move the engine would recommend. Blunders only.

That is quite similar to how I play now anyway, so I might be really good at this version.

I'm approaching 40 years old, have played chess off and on since I was a kid, and I'm not sure I've ever played a match that didn't include several blunders. Like, on the off chance I'm playing someone who doesn't blunder often, I'll certainly pick up their slack.

My game quality is measured in how many times I say "fuck!" right after moving a piece. A very good game for me is about a two-fuck game.

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