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Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought

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#151
So this trend has been going on for a while now, I looked a bit into it about 5 years ago here's what I found:

- Tons of popular and legal products/chemicals are "endocrine disruptors"[1] (fancy term for mess with hormones).

- The FDA/EPA doesn't deny that, they don't themselves even really require tests for long-term health effects in humans (too difficult). Instead they give animals a 1000x+ dose and look for immediate drastic effects (this is abbreviated "LOAEL"). That's the reason we have a xenoestrogen in the lining of soda cans (BPA), because we're trusting that tiny doses must be negligible, which isn't necessarily a valid assumption [2].

- The attitude on a lot of chemicals is "Safe until proven guilty," but when some of these chemicals are suspect (e.g. pesticides) instead of a public announcement they are pulled from public use quietly prior to the point of definitive evidence. New/similar ones can be introduced with presumption of safe until proven guilty. (Search PFOAs if you want to get a sense of how ineffective our protection mechanisms are)

I came to the conclusion a radically new model is necessary, the EPA/FDA need to design models to test for fertility effects, perhaps multigenerationally, in their studies (fruit flies?) quickly.

My bet is within 20 years we'll see it as the more immediate problem than global warming.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocrine_disruptor

[2] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.2203/dose-response....

Re: Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought

#152

> Swan also recommends reducing exposure to endocrine-disrupting chemicals by being a savvy consumer Most hygiene products get away with listing diethyl phthalate as 'Parfum'. What we need is not savvy consumers what we need is regulators to get serious.

Yeah trying to avoid toxic chemicals as a consumer is nearly impossible. We've been doing a home renovation and have been attempting to use zero or low VOC products and it's incredibly difficult and expensive. The effort it requires to do the research and sourcing for every product you use in your life is basically impossible for most people.

Re: Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought

#153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's frankly weird to see what is clearly a male health issue and make a jab at women's health funding when its not like the article was talking about comparing to women's issues. This is very whataboutism.

When you've seen women's issues get tons of attention and funding for decades and any attempts to do the same for similar men's issues get ignored at best, you can get kind of bitter. This image kind of encapsulates the entire dynamic for me: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeE3J_jXoAABWXi.jpg

But like, why are we griping about women getting more attention, literally on a comment chain about male issues? We're just giving the attention back to women, which is what you had an issue with in the first place??? If your problem is that men aren't focused on enough, let's talk about men in this study that studied men.

Re: Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought

#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read both links. This one sounds like a bunch of woke people unhappy that mens health is getting attention. The other study sounds legitimate.

I thought you were being hyperbolic but the linked article and study does seem to miss the forest for the trees. Surely it's possible to acknowledge the flaws of a measure without devolving into ideological and cultural warfare? > In addition, they argued that the design of the 2017 study relied on racist and colonial hierarchies and assumptions because it categorized data as “Western” sperm counts or “Other” sperm c…

Yikes. What the heck is going on in academia.

Re: Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought

#155
Just another side effect of sugar industry pushing that "fat" is bad. Now no one cooks with butter or lard and use nonstick (Teflon) pans which leaches into food and into water sources when it's produced.

We need basic cooking classes in high school and have governments pushing only stainless steel and iron cookware.

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#156
My wife and I have a beautiful daughter about to turn 2. But she wouldn't have existed if it weren't for IVF (in vitro fertilization). Had to stab her stomach with needles for a while to make hormones to mass produce eggs and then they took my sperm to put into her eggs and see which ones took. Five viable pairings happened. Three were put into her and out came the one kid. Other two are in cryo for future use, and hopefully we can try them too one day soon. I was hesitant about IVF when I was younger, but now I recommend it to anyone who's having difficulty conceiving. The doctor showed us my sperm in a petri dish. They were tiny in number and so lazy to move compared to a video that the doctor indicated to be more healthy sperm. Whatever lifestyle changes I need to make to make my sperm better, not sure it can be done overnight and my wife was 38 at the time of conception.

Kid is beautiful, stubborn, independently-minded, cute, all of it. Would not trade her for the world.

If you're having difficulty conceiving, please consider IVF. We tried for 3 years the natural way with no dice.

Re: Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought

#157

Great news for people like me who don't want to reproduce.

Do you intend to become elderly? Perhaps not so great news in 50 years when you are looking for a nursing home.

Personally, I plan to die in the climate wars.

Re: Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought

#158
The thesis of the book 'Countdown' is that this is largely due to widespread plastic and other endocrine disrupting chemicals. I believe this is one of the most important risks to humanity, after climate change, and global war. So far, I've taken some lifestyle changes to combat this: 1) Threw out all of my teflon cooking pans 2) Refuse to consume food in heated plastics 3) Throw out teabags (they have plastics). Use loose leaf tea 4) Will soon be throwing out liquid body wash and moisturizers, and replace with simpler oils

This is an emergency, which would probably require we do a revolution on use commercial packaging and plastic. But I don't have much faith, given how entrenched this industry is. Right now, industry is pushing BPA-free packaging, but I strongly suspect BPA-free plastics have similar endocrine effects, we just haven't studied them long enough.

Re: Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought

#159

Well, interesting to know Children of Men (2006) is a non-measure-zero possibility.

I grew up thinking we were headed for a Star Trek-like future. But it's looking more like its gonna be Fury Road by way of Children of Men.
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