"" If the chess engine suggests the opponent’s move, the claimant wins the game. If not, their opponent wins instead. ""
How? Top engine move changes with evaluation time. Longer the wait, better the move.
Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden
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#12"" If the chess engine suggests the opponent’s move, the claimant wins the game. If not, their opponent wins instead. "" How? Top engine move changes with evaluation time. Longer the wait, better the move.
> Top engine move changes with evaluation time
I think that's like saying you can't play scrabble because the dictionary changes over time. You specify the engine and wait time before you start a game.
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#13A simpler variation, that needs no computer to settle disputes, is Veto Chess.
In Veto Chess you get one chance per game to veto your opponent's last move, and force them to make a different one.
This shares with Human Chess the property that you can win by checking the king such that the response is forced.
It may also serve as a handicap system in games between players of widely different strength, where only the weaker player gets the veto.
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#14Sounds fun, I guess you'll need to be both a strong chess player already and turn everything you know about chess on its head.
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#15Now: Human Chess: a variant where you can't play what AI would play.
Next: AI that can play Human Chess.
After: Human^2 Chess: you can't play what the AI above would play.
etc
I wonder if this creates distinctly new games at each level, or if it's just nonsense one level down.
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#16"" If the chess engine suggests the opponent’s move, the claimant wins the game. If not, their opponent wins instead. "" How? Top engine move changes with evaluation time. Longer the wait, better the move.
> Top engine move changes with evaluation time I think that's like saying you can't play scrabble because the dictionary changes over time. You specify the engine and wait time before you start a game.
You can't. You have to share the best move ahead of each move.
Waiting for a specific duraion may yield different results depending on CPU usage or other variables.
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#17"" If the chess engine suggests the opponent’s move, the claimant wins the game. If not, their opponent wins instead. "" How? Top engine move changes with evaluation time. Longer the wait, better the move.
You can make the engine choice deterministic just by choosing an evaluation time and settings.
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#19"" If the chess engine suggests the opponent’s move, the claimant wins the game. If not, their opponent wins instead. "" How? Top engine move changes with evaluation time. Longer the wait, better the move.
> Top engine move changes with evaluation time I think that's like saying you can't play scrabble because the dictionary changes over time. You specify the engine and wait time before you start a game.
No, there are no top engine moves in practice, and in theory.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should that always be the case, though? We could try to force a position where 2 separate moves checkmate. Then only 1 (presumably the one that results from capturing the highest valued piece?) would be the engine result.
This is explicitly addressed: When multiple moves have the top score, they are all top moves,
I wonder if a move that checkmates is scored lower than a move that checkmates and captures.