Looking forward to the Digital Markets Act.
Sucks that things only change when it affects big companies' profits, though.
Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo
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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo
#602The sheer audacity of these (tech) CEOs is always mind blowing. They really have absolutely no sense of shame and morality.
> "So how much longer will we look away from this threat to the future of the internet? How many more consumers will be denied choice?"
The future of the internet? Really? Spotify is as much of treat to "the future of the internet" than any other of these very profitable tech corps...
Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo
#603Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are many regulations already in place to protect consumer rights. The idea that you can influence companies by not buying is an illusion. The only real solution to anti-competitive practices is legislation. It used to be that when you bought a computer you could run any program you wanted. No one thought this needed to be enshrined in law until Apple thought to restrict what you can do with your own devices. We…
I consider it part of Apple's competitive advantage. I bought an iPhone because I want it to just work and for my apps to behave well. I can do the tinkering on my laptop, I don't want every computing device I own to be hackable. Heck, if I could have a phone with iOS 1 (no third party apps) and the camera and screen of the latest iPhone, I would buy that.
> Heck, if I could have a phone with iOS 1 (no third party apps) and the camera and screen of the latest iPhone, I would buy that.
Well, you can - just don't install any 3rd party apps?
Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo
#604I am constantly amazed how Apple continuously keeps getting defended online, even on HN, one would assume that you got paid for it, not that someone is spending their free time defending them.
I always love reading the arguments in the comments. "Apple's platform, Apple's rules".
I just want to know what would those same comments say if it was Microsoft who came out and said that any app on Windows 11 must pay a 30% "tax" and that you have no freedom to install the apps you wish.
It doesn't matter if you like the current status of the Apple platform, if it breaks the law, it must be stopped, the same way Microsoft was stopped 20 years ago.
Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo
#605I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…
For the record:
- "Mercedes-Benz to introduce acceleration subscription fee" [0]
- "BMW starts selling heated seat subscriptions for $18 a month" [1]
[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63743597
[1] https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscription...
Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo
#606Earlier quoted context omitted.
I like being able to trust my device and my kids device, if you wan't something to hack on get a pinephone or something the reality is that billions of people need to trust their phones with their most personal information, fininaces and lives and apple's policies while sometimes annoying do a lot to build that trust they aren't a big secret and if you don't like it you're free to not buy their products
You can have all your devices locked. I want the option to unlock my device and use it as I see fit.
So use Android? One of the things I don't understand about this whole argument is the choice people want is already there. Why does Apple also need to provide that option? Yes I've heard the argument over the "cost of re-buying all of your apps" to switch, but is there seriously anyone out there who really cares about this that didn't already know about the restrictions and still bought into the iPhone ecosystem? If so, why? Why if freedom to install any software you want on your phone was a priority for you would you ever have bought an iPhone in the first place? It's not like they started wide open and got locked down.
Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo
#607Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? I heard an argument like this a lot at the start of discussions about whether we should be able to choose to WFH in the longer term. "I don't want to WFH because..." Ok, sure, but nobody is trying to force you to. It might just be me, and I'll de…
> Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? Next thing that would happen is that every major "can't miss out" app will walk its users through the process to disable safe management features, all to fulfill the promise of showing cute cat gifs. You know that's how it is.
We don't have to guess. Android app store is clear example that gives power users choice, while at the same time being able to hold onto most of the users.
Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo
#608I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…
I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…
What part of non-default optional customization for others changes anything for you?
Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo
#609Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? Yes, it would, because will require you to opt-out of Apple's ultra-managed experience to use their app.
Then don't install it or only install it if its worth the trade off. The only real reason for 99.9% of apps to want to do that is to prevent Apple from taking a huge portion of the revenue. Decrease the tax and this problem virtually goes away.
Not OP, but the thing which bothers me about this is that it’s not a real choice from an end user perspective. So many employers quasi-require people to use their phones as part of their work. I can just see something like Microsoft teams becoming a wedge that pushes people to disable lockdowns from apple that, in their personal lives, they’d rather keep.
I do think that could be solvable. Something like different personas on the phone could be the next step for the new “focus” features on the iPhone— maybe if you could disable App Store lockdowns but only for isolated profiles on your phone?
Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo
#610Honestly tech folks need to accept that everyone except them likes what Apple does. There is literally no other phone than an iPhone that I'd be comfortable to give my non technical mother or my underage children. They would get scammed, hacked or exploited and the tech companies behind those "you can do what you want with your phone" devices would hold up their hands and say we can't do anything about it, just like Instagram, Facebook or TikTok say now they can't protect our children from seeing harmful content or self harm material. I am so tired and sick of some privileged rich CEOs who campaign so hard to make the Apple ecosystem as toxic as their own platforms so they can get even richer. If you don't want to pay Apple 30% then don't put your stuff in the App Store. You don't like what Apple does, then don't do business with them. Stop whining. Consumers love Apple, young folks feel comfortable to install an online banking app on their grandparents iPhones and parents feel comfortable to give their teenagers an iPhone. I feel like every time some rich AF CEO complains about Apple's 30% Apple should increase it by 1% until they all shut their mouth.