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GIMP Turns 27

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Re: GIMP Turns 27

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The biggest stain on FOSS, with the worst apologists, 27 years strong! Try drawing a circle, in the year 2022.

The beauty of the GPL is that you can change it to your heart's desire. There is a fork called Glimpse. https://glimpse-editor.org/ When Adobe hikes the prices to their SaaSS, you will still be welcome. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s...

How do you draw a circle using Glimpse?

Re: GIMP Turns 27

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I get why people take issue with GIMP, but I'm glad that it exists and has existed. Back in the day I got a lot done with GIMP for both fun and school work, and it was great that it worked both on Windows and Linux. Better tools are around now, and GIMP has failed to live up to a lot of its promises, but I don't get why people need to shit all over it. No one is making you use GIMP. It's honestly amazing that people…

I think GIMP is still pretty important because it at least gave you options over buying or pirating Photoshop. Nowadays, I use Affinity Photo over any of them, but the importance of choice matters, because piracy doesn't impact Adobe's reach. It further entrenches it as the norm. Today, with Krita, Affinity, Pixelmator and the like, I would never suggest its "morally right" to pirate Photoshop, because you will still…

GIMP has always claimed to be a replacement for Photoshop, and has always failed to live up to that claim when I've tried it.

After being lied to, I'm not eager to try again and see if I'll be lied to again. I'll just use Photoshop because it has always worked where GIMP never has.

If GIMP has truly, finally achieved their stated claims of replacing Photoshop (presumably through feature parity), then I'm glad to hear it for all those still willing to try it, but I've no interest in wasting any more of my time verifying that claim than I already have in the past.

Re: GIMP Turns 27

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Still no adjustment layers, still no layer styles. It’s so easy to just critique away…but really? Really? Those are just absolutely essential image editing software features. What have they been prioritizing ahead of that?

I am a simple person, I like GIMP; and I have no idea what "no adjustment layers, still no layer styles" is

For instance - in Photoshop, one can add an adjustment layer on a picture that alters the saturation and color balance of that image. One can then copy that layer for use later, or edit that layer on the fly if one decides it's not right. Or delete it entirely, much later in the editing process.

Re: GIMP Turns 27

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We should drop this "healthy competition" myth. Some of this software has been around as long as I've been alive. I love Open Source but we should just accept that some of it will always be mediocre at best. And as the other commenter mentioned, there are also negative consequences to something being around (mind share, presence in distributions and online docs, etc). Nobody has time to wait 4 decades for software to…

Blender started getting good only a few years ago, before that it was a big UI mess.

If I'm reading their release history right, the big UI rewrite was in 2.57, back in 2011.

That's not "a few years ago". It's "a baby is born, starts walking and talking, goes to kindergarten, primary school and is in secondary school now".

Re: GIMP Turns 27

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Looking into it, Krita does seem very capable. I don't think we should really be mad at healthy competition existing in these spaces though, they should lead to better tools for end users.

Only if better tools are actually getting into users' hands though. I don't know what exactly has gone wrong, but somehow it's the Gimp that keeps getting recommended to those end users.

yes, I try to find some opensource software to treat my png file. Google lead me to GIMP, it is not bad so I keep using.

Re: GIMP Turns 27

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I've been using GIMP for over a decade for a good chunk of my image manipulation needs, from quickly cropping screenshots, creating the occasional image macro, prototyping logos before opening Inkscape and editing pictures to creating whacky abstract stuff[1]. Thank you to the creators and maintainers. [1] https://imgur.com/a/45mTATy

I love the abstract stuff gallery! How do you go about creating one of these? I can't even imagine.

Thanks! In a way it's a mix of generative and manual art, I guess. It starts with gradients or noise. Afterwards it's layers upon layers of color mapping, filters, distortion, more noise, more gradients, etc. - Basically creating artifacts from lossy transforms/mappings/distorts/layer modes and then building those up again into an image. Rinse and repeat.

Some examples of things I made use of:

Colors > Levels. Mostly to get noise to go across the whole range from black to white, not just some in-between. Multiple iterations of reducing the output levels and then stretching those out to the full range again can create interesting artifacts.

Colors > Curves. Same as above, and also final processing. I used a fixed set of gradients (UIGradients) and usually changed them up.

Colors > Map > Gradient Map. Combining the above with gradient mapping, or combining it with noise can result in interesting artifacts as well.

Colors > Desaturate > Color To Gray. Adds grain, texture and contrast around edges. Lots you can do with that, especially by distorting the result.

Filters > Distorts > Kaleidoscope, Filters > Map > Panorama Projection, Filter > Map > Paper Tile. With the exception of the galaxy one, all the ones in the album are somehow the result of those.

I did most of these in 2019 when I was deeply burned out, and clicking around for hours was all I was able to do. It really was kind of therapeutic.

So yeah, I am really glad GIMP exists.

Re: GIMP Turns 27

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When I’m sitting down and teaching my kid how to edit a photo or sketch a drawing, do you honestly see me sitting them down to a GIMP session? And when I’m not around, and they want to pull up their favourite drawing program, do you see them typing “gimp” into the search bar? Which - as of Windows 11 - now helpfully loads internet results and related ads? Or do I just start them on Krita, a much more powerful and use…

No, you probably wouldn't teach your kid to use GIMP as a first image editor, just like you wouldn't teach them LaTeX as their first way to produce documents. I agree, Krita is better for new users. Google "gimp" for me. What are the top results? What's highlighted in the sidebar? I don't see an issue. You have to scroll down a ways before you get to Urban Dictionary, I can't imagine a kid doing that instead of click…

If I google the word 'gimp' in a private browsing tab (so not logged in, no cookies, safe search on), I get these three links - with Google showing the article images! - in a news box after the third result:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1698408/gimp-essex-slams-b... - https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/gimp-man-essex-somerset-... - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gimp-man-essex-says-so...

Then there's the Urban Dictionary, as you mention. So yes, there's an issue.

> See the adaptation of the word "cunt" in Australia.

I'm Australian, so I understand pretty well how we use the word cunt. Contrary to popular perceptions, if you called someone a cunt at a work meeting, you'd probably be fired on the spot. Similarly, it would be... a career limiting move to pitch your supervisors on the idea of switching key business operations to a system called 'Cunt'.

Gimp is just not a good name. Context matters. I appreciate a bit of colour and character as much as the next guy, but there's a time and a place, and 'the name of a major piece of free software' just ain't it.

Re: GIMP Turns 27

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post #271
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The beauty of the GPL is that you can change it to your heart's desire. There is a fork called Glimpse. https://glimpse-editor.org/ When Adobe hikes the prices to their SaaSS, you will still be welcome. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s...

How do you draw a circle using Glimpse?

I guess, same as in GIMP:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33808913

Re: GIMP Turns 27

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post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blender started getting good only a few years ago, before that it was a big UI mess.

If I'm reading their release history right, the big UI rewrite was in 2.57, back in 2011. That's not "a few years ago". It's "a baby is born, starts walking and talking, goes to kindergarten, primary school and is in secondary school now".

I think it was version 2.8 where it started to become a real alternative to paid programs.
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