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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by scarface74 »

satvikpendem wrote: post #205
KoftaBob wrote: post #25

Shouldn't this provide even more motivation for companies like Spotify to invest in a high quality Progressive Web App that can be installed to phones, bypassing the app store entirely?

The same PWAs which Apple restricts on iOS because they know it would cut into their App Store cashflow? If it were an equal market, I'd agree with you, but the OS makers also make and prioritize their own application stores too, so of course they'd want to cut down other competitive avenues.

I keep hearing this very bad excuse. If that’s the only reason that developers make iOS apps, where are the developers who are making iOS apps and just telling Android users to go to the web?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by weberer »

bamboozled wrote: post #42
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

No one is stopping you from buying a Linux based phone? I'm an avid Linux user and an avid Apple user, and I think both systems have their merits. If I had to have only one it would be Linux.

I think this is the best long-term solution, but support should also come from Spotify. When Valve saw Windows going in this direction a decade ago, they decided to officially support Linux. And even though the Linux market share is still quite low, it lowered the barrier to switching by quite a lot, essentially acting as a loaded gun forcing Microsoft to behave.

Imagine if Spotify started officially supporting the PinePhone and started advertising that. It wouldn't get many people to switch, but it would start putting pressure on Apple/Google to be a bit less evil.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by nobrains »

bayindirh wrote: post #427
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

Ok then, for you, do not enable that option. What am I missing?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by scarface74 »

jquery wrote: post #277

Spotify is 100% right about Apple's fees being extortionate. On the other hand, Elon is such a loathsome human being that I can't respect anyone signal-boosting him. Stop giving him attention, he is absolutely addicted to it.

Spotify hasn’t allowed in app purchases on iOS for years.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by heavyset_go »

davidlumley wrote: post #246
satvikpendem wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your data is (mostly) safe from advertisers because that's not their business. I beg to differ. Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims https://proton.me/blog/apple-ad-company https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33736259

My understanding around how this works (and I might be wrong!) is that Apple tracks a variety of usage on device and your device itself knows which ad to serve, versus say Google or Facebook collating your data on their own servers. I'd not be surprised to learn there was some level of phoning home though.

This just has all of the negative privacy implications FLoC does[1], which is also something pushed by Google that was heavily criticized. I guess now that Apple is doing it, it's okay.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federated_Learning_of_Cohorts

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by moonchrome »

hparadiz wrote: post #401
williamscales wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does “tampered with” mean? Particularly in the context of a device you own? I would consider a device tampered with if someone besides me (the owner) did something with it, without my authorization. But anything short of that is surely just me using the device. I mean, I have physical possession after all.

Signing images and requiring that the bootloader can't flash anything else is just vendor lock in / ceding your power as an end user. It doesn't make you more secure in any way since a bad actor will figure out a way to bypass making writes to the system partition.

Umm I remember ordering Chinese phones way back when (think android 4) with unlocked boot loaders - both had some random junk installed via custom ROM and you couldn't uninstall it.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by xnickb »

rosnd wrote: post #309
adamwk wrote: post #116

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Android is linux as much as iOS is BSD

How do you mean? The "Android kernel" is not meaningfully different from the Linux kernel. 4.4BSD however was released in 1993, so iOS would've had decades to diverge from it.

But we'll not know unless they open source it. chuckle

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by GuB-42 »

hparadiz wrote: post #399
GuB-42 wrote: post #265

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My experience is that Samsung devices are quite easy to root. There is that e-fuse thing that disable some features permanently, but to my knowledge, these are mostly intended for corporate devices and you can ignore them for personal use.

With Galaxy phones they are extremely hostile to unsigned flashes to the device. You essentially need to exploit a zero day in the stock rom to get temporary root and then while you have temporary root you flash a new recovery. And then you gotta make sure it doesn't flash the stock recovery back in the next boot by making sure your next reboot goes into the recovery. And then you can flash your custom ROM. I skipped…

After looking a bit into it, it looks like most US/Canada models have a locked bootloader. Other models, including mine (Europe) don't and it only needs booting into download mode using a key combination and flashing a custom recovery using Odin.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by piva00 »

scarface74 wrote: post #542
piva00 wrote: post #502

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Why should Apple be allowed to have a competitor in the same space without paying the 30% Apple tax on top then? That's anti-trust 101.

So should we also stop console makers from having first party games? Stop stores from selling store brands?

I'd say yes if console makers would force all 3rd parties to not directly advertise how to create an account with them and pay through their own means for a subscription when needed instead of the console game store.

I'd say yes if stores with their own store brands would force producers of 3rd party products to always pay a 30% cut and disallow the consumers from being able to purchase the product at a different place of their choosing.

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