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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by girvo »

sgustard wrote: post #262
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I'll contrast this with my TV. I want a TV that works and displays pictures & sound. Instead my TV is an Android hub with dozens of random apps installed. What it doesn't do half the time is work. Sure, I have "control" but I'd rather have "functional devices!"

I'm dreading the day my 4K "dumb" LCD TV dies. It's now basically impossible to replace.

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Post by ljm »

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

Back in the day we laughed about software inevitably including a poor implementation of lisp, or an email client.

What we are seeing now is the inevitable convergence of tech into advertising and engineering is giving way to marketing, and we’re not building product anymore, we’re building analytics.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by johnbellone »

giovannibajo1 wrote: post #101
donmcronald wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really see the difference between Facebook leveraging their social network platform to strong arm users into using a Facebook store and Apple leveraging their hardware platform to strong arm users into using the Apple app store. Both of them are bad for users. I think the way things would shake out is that most app developers would want to have their app in as many stores as possible. Combine that with stores…

The difference is that Facebook is in the market of mining your soul so whatever store they would create it would be targeted to that and the rules and policies will make sure that they are able to reach that goal. Apple is in the business of selling phones and has decided that a good strategy for them is to protect the privacy of users against data miners. So their store and payment system by default protect users a…

Apple is in the business of selling your eyes. They just also happen to sell the glasses, too.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by crossroadsguy »

542458 wrote: post #118
Yujf wrote: post #40

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Apple can ask 30% all they want IMO, as long as they allow side loading. Don't use their app distribution platform? Don't pay their fee. That is how it should work, which is how it does work on android (and yes most companies still use the play store, because it is hard to convince consumers to use another store, but at least the option is there. Also you can not auto update apps installed from outside the play store…

Apple’s non-hardware expenses aren’t limited to the distribution platform… They make the OS, the libraries, the APIs, the development tools and continue to maintain those even after the hardware is sold… Why should third parties get to free ride on that? I don’t see why we should compel software authors to add hooks and features and provide tools for non-paying third parties.

Because I paid for all that — paid in full - upfront - paid a lot! Maybe 2x or hell 3-5x of what it should actually cost.

So it’s my device. I want Spotify to be able to side load on my device.

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Post by ochoseis »

sgustard wrote: post #262
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I'll contrast this with my TV. I want a TV that works and displays pictures & sound. Instead my TV is an Android hub with dozens of random apps installed. What it doesn't do half the time is work. Sure, I have "control" but I'd rather have "functional devices!"

Nothing stops you from hooking an Apple TV up to it.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by scarface74 »

satvikpendem wrote: post #189
darkwizard42 wrote: post #63

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What the parent is likely trying to point out is that Apple has no obligation to give you the feature the way you want it (in fact, Apple seems to view not providing flexibility as the feature). If you feel this strongly about the feature, then using a different phone (which there are many) is available.

Standard Oil has no obligation to give you oil the way you want it. If you feel this strongly about oil, then using a different oil provider (which there are many) is available.

Is there not an alternative to buying an iPhone? 80% of the phone market is non iOS.

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Post by philliphaydon »

wvenable wrote: post #152
judge2020 wrote: post #144

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But I see way too many people using Chrome on iOS or the Google App as their main web browser. If it was really about the underlying technology then nobody would download alternative web browsers, but they do, so surely people decide to use these browser apps based on their features like password support, tab design and functionality, etc.

I don't understand your point. All browsers on iOS use the same underlying technology (Webkit) so the only relevant features between iOS browsers is those other features like password support, tab design, etc.

This is good. Chrome is the new IE. we are repeating history with Google now controlling the web. Except no one seems to care cos it’s not Microsoft.

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Post by johnbellone »

brailsafe wrote: post #254
madeofpalk wrote: post #137

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> I'll never get why Apple makes their rules very clear Do they? They prevent app developers from explaining the rules to users.

All the iOS developers I follow complain that the rules and logic of app store reviewers are arcane and vague

Using the logic of the herd here those developers shouldn’t target iOS. It’s their choice after all. /s

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Post by brailsafe »

As an aside, it occurs to me that if I did have an iPhone, in-so much as Apple is able to realistically control, I'm not allowed to watch porn or download torrents on my own damn device. Obviously that's not broadly true because of the web and esoteric workarounds, but because the one true app store is the only one, and Apple is the arbiter of what goes in there, I would have Ned Flanders staring in my window at all times. The main difference on Android for these specific cases, is that the Play store doesn't ban torrent clients, and I can install any apk I want. The OS enforces a certain amount of security granularity, and I hope that improves, but I'm not subject to Google's opinion if I don't want to be. Does this not seem ridiculous to people who go with iOS?

Edit: To be clear, I'm not complaining about my real constraints, because I've already and always voted with my wallet and not bought an iPhone. They're very nice hardware though.

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