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CT scan shows there's still lots of toner left in an “empty” cartridge

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Re: CT scan shows there's still lots of toner left in an “empty” cartridge

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The models do vary, but according to brita all the models with lights are based off of the lid opening. https://www.brita.com/support/faqs/replacement-filters/ Brita® pitchers and dispensers have three different styles of filter indicators—Pitchers WITH Max Fill Line, Pitchers WITHOUT Max Fill Line, and sticker filter indicators. Pitchers WITH Max Fill Line The filter indicator lets you know when it’s time to replace…

Fair enough. I guess I just don't understand how that would possibly work for the model I've got. The lid is at the top, and the electronics are at the bottom, and outside of the water. There is a clear container of water separating the lid and the electronics. The lid is a thin piece of plastic, there's really nothing to it. I'm still convinced it's just a timer for this model, or at best it measures the water comin…

That is a Brita Stream product.

For the pitcher equivalent they document that the indicator is simply a count of the number of pours, where they assume each one is exactly 8 oz, and that the filter lasts for exactly 40 gallons. (i.e. turns red after exactly 640 pours).

For that one, they don't actually document how it works. They do seems to indicate they that they are trying to approximate water used though, since they say it turns red "once you reach 40 gallon[s]". It might be a count of activations of the spigot handle or based on timing how long the spigot handle has been open since last reset (e.g. they previously calculated the flow per second, and use that to count up seconds that up until they reach 40 gallons).

Re: CT scan shows there's still lots of toner left in an “empty” cartridge

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If you have a Samsung laserprinter with number pad and empty toner / imaging unit try menu # 1904 menu and reset the counter, then happily print thousands of pages more

Brother lasers also have a funky reset procedure (depends on model, but searchable on internet). It’s outrageous. You can get another 500 to 1000 pages out of it.

My Brother laser printer has been reporting low toner for months (years?) now. Does it get to a point where it says toner is out and stops printing? For now, I just keep printing, and it's working just fine.

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The last printer I bought (HP LaserJet Pro m254dw) seems to do it right.

My black cartridge is at 0% and has been for a while. The supply status printout says something to the effect of "Just because it says 0% doesn't mean it's empty, keep printing until the quality is unacceptable." I ordered a new cartridge about a year ago, but haven't installed it yet because I'm not seeing any quality problems. I don't print much though, so it'll likely sit there for another year (or more).

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Unlike ink jets most laser printers will let you disable the low toner “lock outs” although by default it may refuse to print. Then you just wait for the streaks to appear to know when you’re out. You can shake it to extend the life once that occurs. I’ve printed hundreds of pages after the printer said I was out of toner. There’s probably some small quality loss but for text you don’t really notice if it’s not strea…

On the topic of ink jets - I am so glad I changed to an Ink-tank printer a few years back - never going back

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My laser Samsung from 2013 has a just small display and simple function buttons. But I never got an original cartridge - the replacement I can get online are far cheaper and cost me about 8.50 EUR without the delivery cost. The printer works but paper feeder rollers seem to struggle now. I'm afraid that once it gets broken beyond any repair I'll have to get new which will chain me to official supplies. ghacks.net [1]…

You might want to look into cleaning and lubricating your rollers. Paper creates a lot of dust that could be causing the issue.

Clean, but don't lubricate. They need to grip the paper :)

Re: CT scan shows there's still lots of toner left in an “empty” cartridge

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Developer is, in all modern machines, a roller. It lasts almost forever - far longer than any home user will use their machine at least. When it does run out, I don't think it's due to wear or the metal particles being 'used up' in any way, but instead because a layer of dirt has stuck to the surface of the roller, so it is no longer any good at transferring toner.

Developer loses its charge over time. You have to replace it. Every laser copier/printer still uses developer. If you can show me a model of laser printer that does not, I'm all ears. There is also a transfer roller in each copier, maybe that's what you're talking about? I could be mistaken, but as recently as 2020, every commercial copier I worked on, still uses developer. I have never worked on, or heard of a laser…

"Mono-component" toner is toner that is magnetic in its own rite, so it doesn't need separate developer (iron powder) to make it magnetic. I believe the original mono-component toners had magnetite in them, but I believe now there's non-magnetic mono-component toner too.

Re: CT scan shows there's still lots of toner left in an “empty” cartridge

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That's not necessarily toner left in the cartridge. It could be developer. Laser printers have 2 separate forms of powder inside of them. One being toner, and the other being developer. The developer has fine metal particulates inside that "charge" the toner, enabling the toner to be pulled off of the drum, and onto the page. Larger copiers have the Developer, and toner separate. However, the cartridge pictured is th…

The waste toner that's not transferred to the paper and cleaned off by the cleaning blade, needs to go somewhere in the cartridge too.

Re: CT scan shows there's still lots of toner left in an “empty” cartridge

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If you have a Samsung laserprinter with number pad and empty toner / imaging unit try menu # 1904 menu and reset the counter, then happily print thousands of pages more

This is outrageous. Only a small percentage of owners know this kind of tricks. Imagine the environmental damage created by thousands of users throwing away perfectly usable cartridges. I always feel bad about throwing away laser printer cartridges, they have so many components that are working just fine, there should be a way to just refill the toner and reuse it.

Or how about the environmental damage of implementing a chip onto every cartridge that is at least 10x expensive as the ink and plastic materials and who's sole purpose is to enforce that you're only using proprietary cartridges for your printer

Re: CT scan shows there's still lots of toner left in an “empty” cartridge

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This is outrageous. Only a small percentage of owners know this kind of tricks. Imagine the environmental damage created by thousands of users throwing away perfectly usable cartridges. I always feel bad about throwing away laser printer cartridges, they have so many components that are working just fine, there should be a way to just refill the toner and reuse it.

TIL people actually throw laser printer cartridges away instead of having them refilled for pennies multiple times over.

more modern printers have smarter chips that are harder to reuse and the printers can even permanently brick themselves if it thinks you're using non-proprietary cartridges

Re: CT scan shows there's still lots of toner left in an “empty” cartridge

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Bought an Epson "Ecotank" a few years ago, best printer I've ever had. Only had to refill the ink tanks a couple of times, and the refill ink is super affordable. Paid a much higher up-front cost for the printer but damn... I print out TONS of photos now, and don't have to worry about the ink cartridge depleting at a fast rate.

Many printers are sold at a loss because the cartridges are where the money is made. I've heard of people buying brand new printers when their ink ran out because it was cheaper than new ink
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