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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by scarface74 » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 2:22 AM UTC

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

Then why buy Apple devices? Do you also buy Teslas and wonder why you can’t use gas?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by sgustard » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 2:22 AM UTC

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I'll contrast this with my TV. I want a TV that works and displays pictures & sound. Instead my TV is an Android hub with dozens of random apps installed. What it doesn't do half the time is work. Sure, I have "control" but I'd rather have "functional devices!"

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by root_axis » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 2:22 AM UTC

dmix wrote: post #230

api wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’d be easy to gate this: require that the iOS device be connected to a Mac and a special app used to change “advanced” settings. These could include side loading, the ability to install alternate app stores, and low level OS access of various kinds. It would be very helpful to developers and debugging too.

So why do you think Apple doesn't want that to happen? Surely a developer or ten has suggested the same thing by now? My guess is focus: they are 100% focused on being the best closed platform that is easy to use and everything is handled for the user. A lively sideloading and 3rd party homebrew scene would be a massive distraction for the Dev team and most importantly the support side with little direct business ROI…

> So why do you think Apple doesn't want that to happen?

lol i can think of a few billion other reasons why they don't want it to happen.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by bawolff » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 2:23 AM UTC

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

> I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it

Then dont buy an iphone.

Apple's market is not people who want to "own" a phone. It is people who want a phone that works no fuss.

You're basically asking - why did apple take the option to make money hand over fist? The answer should be pretty self-obvious.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by GuB-42 » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 2:24 AM UTC

hparadiz wrote: post #165

metiscus wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have owned many Samsung android devices over the years and have always been able to install fdroid and other alternate app stores as well as "side load" applications from apk files. Is there a new thing where Samsung have removed this feature in recent (last two years or so) devices?

The bootloader in on Samsung Android devices is extremely locked down to prevent rooting. Sideloading is a basic android feature. Ability to root and sideloading are two different but similar issues on the topic of freedom.

My experience is that Samsung devices are quite easy to root. There is that e-fuse thing that disable some features permanently, but to my knowledge, these are mostly intended for corporate devices and you can ignore them for personal use.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by root_axis » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 2:25 AM UTC

TylerE wrote: post #248

sergiotapia wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So again, how does an option to open the device affect you in any way?

A big part of what makes the Apple ecosystem so compelling is the consistency and coherence.

Nothing would change for you though, if someone wanted to sideload something they would just have the option to do so.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by johnbellone » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 2:25 AM UTC

dmix wrote: post #230

api wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’d be easy to gate this: require that the iOS device be connected to a Mac and a special app used to change “advanced” settings. These could include side loading, the ability to install alternate app stores, and low level OS access of various kinds. It would be very helpful to developers and debugging too.

So why do you think Apple doesn't want that to happen? Surely a developer or ten has suggested the same thing by now? My guess is focus: they are 100% focused on being the best closed platform that is easy to use and everything is handled for the user. A lively sideloading and 3rd party homebrew scene would be a massive distraction for the Dev team and most importantly the support side with little direct business ROI…

Revenue. Plain and simple. Everything you mention is the way they use to protect that revenue.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by lttlrck » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 2:26 AM UTC

amelius wrote: post #71

threatofrain wrote: post #52

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IMO there should be a way to allow power users such as yourself to customize your phone, such as how Google allows side-loading. But we can see that based on how niche side loading is that mass-users oriented businesses like Spotify and Twitter would not be happy. As for users like myself, I'm very happy that Apple intermediates my relationship with big businesses, because in the sphere of negotiation and leverage, b…

Any user should be able to walk away from the original hardware vendor, never contacting them again, and still be able to use the product in a normal way. Otherwise you bought a service, not a product.

Sure, if that's what you actually paid for.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by johnbellone » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 2:26 AM UTC

cafed00d wrote: post #182

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

> I want the option to control my devices. Why is that you'd demand this of _Apple_? Doesn't Linux and the plethora of devices it supports give you this already? I ask as a willful customer who prefers the complete control Apple provides. I never have to think about "porn" or "bitcoin scam" or "upsells from parent's bank" or any other crap from being easily accessible on my kids' or elderly parent's devices. Even Ste…

I bought it. I own it. That’s why I demand it.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by m463 » Thu, Dec 01, 2022, 2:26 AM UTC

fishcrackers wrote: post #159

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I like being able to trust my device and my kids device, if you wan't something to hack on get a pinephone or something the reality is that billions of people need to trust their phones with their most personal information, fininaces and lives and apple's policies while sometimes annoying do a lot to build that trust they aren't a big secret and if you don't like it you're free to not buy their products

You seem to be arguing that only apple (or google) has the ability to protect your device.

Honestly, the best protection would be the ability to control your own device, and make apple just one of many ways to help you secure it.

I would love to be able to firewall my device. To see what apps are doing and to prevent them from doing things you don't like. Then you can trust but verify.

By the way, apple does TONS of stuff behind your back - rapant telemetry, allowing and even helping with tracking, and doing its own advertising. Look at deep linking, iBeacon, and lots of other silly things.