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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by endisneigh »

Daishiman wrote: post #124
endisneigh wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So since all computers are Unix* or Windows, there's no competition? Ridiculous.

If state governments and agencies offer essential software for only two platforms and the most "open" one is restricted of most useful stuff because Google doesn't like it, no, there isn't enough competition. It's a really basic point and I have no idea what's so hard to understand.

It's literally the same thing with Unix and PCs. AOSP is completely open source just like Unix, likewise MacOS and Google Android are restricted.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by wvenable »

endisneigh wrote: post #86

Stop buying Apple if you don't like it. Seriously. At the end of the day all of these companies would do the exact same thing as Apple if they were in Apple's position. The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those, then you can be free of the duopoly. Other than using phone specific features, why can't all apps run on your desktop, laptop or elsewhere? I'll never get…

> The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those

Progress on that front is hampered because fruit company only allows their own browser and puts just enough effort into it to keep it relevant as a web browser.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by Terretta »

musk_micropenis wrote: post #47
dmitrygr wrote: post #11

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> What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? Facebook will demand you use FacebookStore, which will NOT force apps transparency. THAT is the issue!

Has that happened on Android?

Why does Google Play charge 30% and why are the apps there?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by tootie »

adam_arthur wrote: post #2

It's pretty obvious that legislation or anti-trust action will come that opens up mobile computing platforms. Considering the whole of a large market share mobile computing OS a private market, and not subject to competitive pressures, leads to monopolistic capture similar to what utilities could achieve without regulation. Why not just move to another neighborhood if you don't like your electric bill? Well then you'…

So long as Android exists and users aren't strictly locked to the Play Store, I don't think an antitrust case would succeed.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by syrrim »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #92
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

Back in the PC days I posed the question: What if Apple sold its computers with options for the OS, e.g., [ ] Apple-provided [ ] User-provided. In other words, what if one could buy just the Apple hardware, without a pre-installed OS. I used to run NetBSD on the Mac. I did not care about getting 100% support for every feature of the hardware, I just wanted a working computer. It is funny because today iOS is the mand…

Apple is leveraging their success in the operating system space to control competition in other markets and to limit options available to consumers. This is classic anti competitive behaviour and has nothing to do with whether the OS is sold separately or is bundled with the phone. There are very few hardware advantages of iphones vs. equivalently priced (say) pixel phones, especially not ones that don't rely heavily on software support (eg cameras). So in practice we already are in the reality you imagine anyways.

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Post by pessimizer »

SllX wrote: post #68
mandeepj wrote: post #38

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Are you certain we can call them normal?

Zealots are a normal feature of human society, so yes.

There are a lot of people who spend a significant part of their day posting over and over again about Elon Musk, and congratulating each other for it. I assume that's not being a zealot. It's like the people posting about "Putin's cock" 100 times a day who think that it's actually the other people who are obsessed with him.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by madeofpalk »

endisneigh wrote: post #86

Stop buying Apple if you don't like it. Seriously. At the end of the day all of these companies would do the exact same thing as Apple if they were in Apple's position. The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those, then you can be free of the duopoly. Other than using phone specific features, why can't all apps run on your desktop, laptop or elsewhere? I'll never get…

> I'll never get why Apple makes their rules very clear

Do they? They prevent app developers from explaining the rules to users.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by stale2002 »

darkwizard42 wrote: post #63
ouid wrote: post #56

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>No one is stopping you from buying a Linux based phone? What is this supposed to be an argument for? Do you think this is an own? Is this statement made in good faith? Did you really let your 10th grade economics teacher tell you what a "monopoly" was and then never question either the usefulness or the validity of the definition?

What the parent is likely trying to point out is that Apple has no obligation to give you the feature the way you want it (in fact, Apple seems to view not providing flexibility as the feature). If you feel this strongly about the feature, then using a different phone (which there are many) is available.

> that Apple has no obligation to give you

> If you feel this strongly about the feature, then using a different phone

Actually, instead of that, citizens of a nation are free to vote for anti-trust, and pro competition laws that force Apple, under threat of government force, to stop engaging in certain actions.

We did it for the railway monopolies a century ago, and we can do it again, by updating our anti trust laws to new era.

It's been a century. It is about time that our existing and uncontroversial anti monopoly laws got updated.

Some laws have already been past, in the EU, for example, that do this. In the EU, because of the digital markets act, people will be able to bypass the Apple app store in less than a year.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by splix »

carl_dr wrote: post #93
llboston wrote: post #75

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The population China didn’t have the choice where they were born. With Apple, you have a choice, knowing fully the pros and cons of the ecosystem, whether to buy into it. It’s not the same at all.

Chinese can technically migrate too. It's just not so easy, they may have family and work that hold you there.

Same as with Apple. You may want to leave it but you have HomeKit devices and bunch of apps you use for work.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by dpflan »

endisneigh wrote: post #86

Stop buying Apple if you don't like it. Seriously. At the end of the day all of these companies would do the exact same thing as Apple if they were in Apple's position. The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those, then you can be free of the duopoly. Other than using phone specific features, why can't all apps run on your desktop, laptop or elsewhere? I'll never get…

Yeah, it's interesting. Who are the loudest voices here? Customers of Apple or the the companies deciding to play by Apple's rules to access Apple's customer base?

It's going to be a lopsided discussion on HN because of the biases of the users here versus the average non-HN member. What does the average customer want?

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