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Re: Tell HN: If you have trouble focusing on projects/meetings, see a psychatrist

#181

Be careful. 1 month is not enough to make a judgement. I hope it'll work for you long term and not create any side effects. I'm worried for you in terms of medication you mentioned. As an extreme example taking cocaine/amphetamines for 1 month would probably make you best dad ever, best coworker and best husband straight away - but would fuck you up totally longer term.

> As an extreme example taking cocaine/amphetamines for 1 month would probably make you best dad ever, best coworker and best husband straight away It most definitely wouldn't. After just a couple of days/a week, the negative effects would be noticeable, at least if we're talking about recreational dosage every day. Long-term prescribed medicine doesn't have nearly the same effect as stimulants people use recreationa…

I was not thikning about "going to the party" dosage every day for a month for sure. There are indigenous communities where they chew coca leaves for years.

Most ADHD medications are amphetamines.

Re: Tell HN: If you have trouble focusing on projects/meetings, see a psychatrist

#182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not speed. How in the world is this myth still around?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall Isn't amphetamine = speed?

METHamphetamine is speed.

Adderall is adderall. Why be this way?

Re: Tell HN: If you have trouble focusing on projects/meetings, see a psychatrist

#183
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I don't know if it's only the Baader–Meinhof phenomenon or a real impression but for the past few weeks I've seen a lot of testimony and articles on ADHD (on hn and other media). Some friends also started to mention it more than before. I always recognize myself in those testimony and I think it's time to do something about it. So thank you for your message!

Interesting question, if awareness of Baader-Meinhof makes you less/more susceptible to it?

Re: Tell HN: If you have trouble focusing on projects/meetings, see a psychatrist

#184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall Isn't amphetamine = speed?

METHamphetamine is speed. Adderall is adderall. Why be this way?

I am being quite sincere. It was an honest question. When I was in HS, long before Breaking Bad and Meth, party kids took "speed," which was amphetamines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_(disambiguation)

To reiterate from elsewhere in the thread: My point is that if there is a chance that a reasonably healthy habit like running could possibly alleviate ADHD symptoms, wouldn't it be clearly better to try that before giving kids drugs of any sort?

I am stating that as an opinion - not a fact.

Re: Tell HN: If you have trouble focusing on projects/meetings, see a psychatrist

#185
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My personal anecdote. I have issues with focusing and prioritizing work. What helped me is getting a work with absolutely floating work time. For example today I went to work office at 19:30 and I'm going to leave it at 7:00 or something like that. It doesn't matter. What matters is: I work prolonged hours (because I still procrastinate, but I've found out that I start to focus on work after 4-5 hours or something li…

It sounds like you might have a sleep problem instead of a focus problem. Without good sleep, you can’t focus. One thing to try is melatonin (0.3 to 0.5 mg). Take it around 8:30 PM, then stay up past the point it makes you drowsy (it will kick in in about 30 minutes after taking). Got to bed at a normal time like 11:00 PM. You’ll probably wake up around 7:00 and be wide awake, and have much better focus during the da…

Don't forget to take melatonin at precisely the same time. It's a hormone that controls your sleep/wake cycle and if you take it randomly, it'll fuck you up.

Re: Tell HN: If you have trouble focusing on projects/meetings, see a psychatrist

#186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

METHamphetamine is speed. Adderall is adderall. Why be this way?

I am being quite sincere. It was an honest question. When I was in HS, long before Breaking Bad and Meth, party kids took "speed," which was amphetamines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_(disambiguation) To reiterate from elsewhere in the thread: My point is that if there is a chance that a reasonably healthy habit like running could possibly alleviate ADHD symptoms, wouldn't it be clearly better to try that befo…

You're being pedantic. In that elsewhere you also called Ritalin speed. No. Stop it. I don't care what experience you had that you believe justifies spreading myths and misinformation, but here we are.

> long before Breaking Bad and Meth

Your world seems a bit one-dimensional. Running helped one kid. So, we tell every kid to run? What do we do for kids that don't want to run? Force them? What happens when you run out of things to try?

You're perpetuating a world in which humans can't get the right help for their issues because "they should just try X!" It's incredibly tone-deaf.

By the way, Methamphetamine existed long before BB. It was used by Nazis to keep them in fighting shape.

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#187

I don't think the problem is that you can't focus - the problem is that the reward isn't high enough. I know your post isn't money-related, but let me digress. What is the point of fixing your procrastination? What goal are you really trying to achieve? If you can't pay attention in project meetings, so what? It's not like you'll get a $100,000 bonus for doing so. If there was a $10 million gold bar in the bottom of…

What's the startup if you don't mind sharing?

Re: Tell HN: If you have trouble focusing on projects/meetings, see a psychatrist

#188

A slight semi-tangential/related question for OP/others who've benefited so much from medication - did you receive any guidance from your doctor on how to use it, or do you use any strategies you figured out yourself? I have been prescribed (generic) methylphenidate, but the doc essentially told me "Take the tablets twice a day, good luck!". The medication does give me more mental energy, but it's much closer to "bei…

As someone who just started on methylphenidate this year with good results:

- I initially started on Concerta but found that I was burning through the dose way faster than advertised (4hrs vs 8hrs) and experiencing an unpleasant crash at the end where I felt zoned out, emotionally flat and unable to focus at all; and this was with the supposed holy grail Janssen variant.

- IR was slightly better but the rush up and crash down wasn't stable enough for me throughout the day, and managing the doses is an imperfect science / requires awareness of time (obviously not my strong suit).

- Going onto an XR variant (generic for Metadate, capsule with extended release beads) has been the best so far. It lasts throughout the workday, has a smoother onset and "landing" that for the most part doesn't send me into a crash, and is available to me as a very cheap generic.

- I take it first thing in the morning, take my dog out for a walk (~30 mins), and the timing works out perfectly for when I get back and get started with work. If you have a gauge of how long it takes to start working, then maybe work backwards and build a routine around that (e.g., when you arrive at work, before you leave, etc.). Ideally it's latched to something in your existing routine so you don't forget.

- Regarding the period where medication is wearing off, this tends to align with when I finish up my work throughout the day (which the proper dosing should achieve), and I usually go to the gym to lift weights shortly after. This works for me as a transition to doing something productive / good for my health, and the exertion seems to help with the slight withdrawal sensation during this period. Otherwise I tend to trail off into mindless internet browsing once I check out of work.

- Organization-wise I just maintain a simple to-do list so I have it on hand when I get started with my day. It seems to work best when I have it updated from the day before so that I can just sit down and get started without having to figure out what to do first. Granted I do still have a tendency to jump around between things throughout the day, but having that reference on hand definitely helps me to stay productive instead of going down rabbit holes.

- I also somehow semi-quit social media after years of trying to no avail. Namely Instagram, which for me was the lowest resistance / easiest to slip into an endless time-suck on, as well as my Reddit homepage (I only check two sports subreddits which don't move that quickly). I hid Instagram from my home screen, and created two browser bar bookmarks to the individual subreddits to avoid going to the homepage so if I have an impulse I can take a quick break, but won't have enough content to stay on for long. The endless scroll is a son-of-a for folks like me. YouTube time has gone up, but at least with the content I watch there I'm learning something related to my hobbies.

- I'm sure you already know but always good to mention food and water, I went through a short stint where I had to take antacids because the combination of medication + some acidic foods (I think it was greek yogurt) were messing with my stomach.

Definitely still doing some fine-tuning myself, but the medication has been so helpful in the sense that I can actually implement lifestyle / habit adjustments without them immediately falling by the wayside. Currently my main issue is managing my sleep schedule - I've always been a night owl but also know that I feel much more calm when I can wake up earlier and get a good start to the day. Seasons have also always hit me pretty hard energy / mood wise, especially during the daylight savings transitions. I use light therapy to help stave that off.

Re: Tell HN: If you have trouble focusing on projects/meetings, see a psychatrist

#189

I got on meds for ADHD and they objectively didn’t help that much. I also felt like my pulse and emotions were greatly elevated in confrontational situations to an uncomfortable extent (though caffiene was involved). The other aspect was that it was almost $300/month for a prescription. In social situations they did help a bit. Any impact on productivity was minor. I’d also say right after the meds kicked in I would…

Taking caffeine with Adderall gives me horrendous anxiety and heart palpitations so I don't drink coffee anymore. When I take adderall + magnesium I'm almost as calm as I am unmedicated. For anyone else taking them both that may not have made the connection yet.

What does the magnesium do?

Re: Tell HN: If you have trouble focusing on projects/meetings, see a psychatrist

#190

I got on meds for ADHD and they objectively didn’t help that much. I also felt like my pulse and emotions were greatly elevated in confrontational situations to an uncomfortable extent (though caffiene was involved). The other aspect was that it was almost $300/month for a prescription. In social situations they did help a bit. Any impact on productivity was minor. I’d also say right after the meds kicked in I would…

how long did you try the meds? in my first weeks I was definitely more confrontational and aggressive, but after two months I went back to baseline, or even less, while getting significant benefits on almost every other aspect of my life.

I always wondered why the aggression - for me it was mainly directed to situations where I needed to advocate for myself (and would "slip" before medications) while being less aggressive overall

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