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The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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I work in the field of Data Science and one upsetting reality has started to sink into my mind over the last year. In a business there is top line and bottom line. There are a lot Statistics/ML/Data Science jobs that are about moving that bottom line. You build something to optimize something to reduce costs. The value provided by the bottom line people is less visible than the value of top line people. The easiest w…

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Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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Sorry to hear about the lay-off. I can't stress enough how influential Eric Lippert was on my early career. His work on C# and .NET, but more importantly his openness and engagement with the community played a big part in me continuing on the Microsoft stack. Just jumping into any random month[1] in his blog archive from my formative years is incredible nostalgia for me. It's not the kind of high-concept "a monad is…

Thank you, that's kind of you to say.

I also want to say thanks for exactly the same reasons expressed above. I learnt a lot from your writing when I was a junior developer just starting out in 2010.

You shared a lot of insights that made the internals of the systems we build upon much more accessible to me and helped shape my relationship with all programming languages I have used since then.

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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I wish Mr. Lippert and his team well.

> But after >26 years of thinking about programming languages for corporations, and the last three years of my work being thrown away, I need a good long corporate detox before I go looking again.

OMG, can I relate to this.

The chances are good, that, if he can support himself; even if not at oriental levels of luxury, he will not want to return.

That has been my experience.

Come on in, Eric, the water's fine...

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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Eric Lippert was my hero back when his blog was hosted on MSDN. Sad to see him go into retirement when he's at his prime. Hope he finds some new exciting project.

In contrast, I'm sad to see so many people spend their prime sitting at a desk 8+ hours a day, ever day.

Getting old is rough. At no point in your life will it be easier to scuba dive, take nature photography, travel, or whatever your passion is. Eric's done this for 25+ years and presumably has a good amount of savings; why not take advantage of other parts of life?

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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Such a weird decision given the results they indicate. Was there any rational thought behind the layoffs beyond giving the metaverse more dollars?

It wouldn't surprise me if someone glanced at the "Probabilistic Programming Team" name and said "I don't know what that is but I doubt we need it" and added them to the chopping block.

Meta hired the consultants from Office Space. "Probab...probabli... probably not going to work here anymore, anyway!"

Scene from Youtube: https://youtu.be/9ZUw8LYOQ-g

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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post #3

I work in the field of Data Science and one upsetting reality has started to sink into my mind over the last year. In a business there is top line and bottom line. There are a lot Statistics/ML/Data Science jobs that are about moving that bottom line. You build something to optimize something to reduce costs. The value provided by the bottom line people is less visible than the value of top line people. The easiest w…

This is a running joke for every systems administration/operations job I've had

A common theme for commiserating, the only investment we get are complaints

Make it work again with what you had or we have problems, must avoid OpEx at any cost

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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This is really sad to hear. Probabilistic programming languages are IMO one of the coolest things ever: if you have an idea about how your data could be plausibly generated given some massive amount of hidden state and inputs, and an arbitrarily complex rendering function, you just write the rendering function and it determines probability distributions over the state variables that most likely map your inputs to your output.

For instance, say you want to be able to vectorize logos, e.g. find the SVG representation of a raster image. If you wanted to link a text model of the characters that make up SVG files to their raster representation via a modern deep learning system, you'd need a heck of a lot of data and training time. But if you could instead just write a (subset of a) SVG parser and renderer as simply as you'd write it in any other programming language, but where the compiler instead creates a chain of conditional probability distributions that can be traversed with gradient descent, you can reach a highly reliable predictive model with significantly less training time and data.

This is where the massive cost savings come in. You get a forward-deployed engineer who knows this stuff and can dig into the compiler for features not yet implemented, they can work magic on any domain problem. I would have loved to have seen the spinoff they mentioned. Sigh.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12774459 is an old comment that goes more into detail on the tech and has a number of links!

EDIT: see also https://beanmachine.org/ which is OP's team's work

Re: The last three years of my work will be permanently abandoned

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3 years of work being thrown away is not a big deal. Imagine a retail employee complaining about how nobody cares what they did the past 3 years. I don't see a difference.

Presumably the retail employee does not see this as a passion or life calling and rather only a paycheck. From the look of his writing he was pretty passionate about this.
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