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Re: Ask HN: Do you look angry while you work?

#122

Yes. When I'm super focused on something my wife will walk in the room and ask my what I'm so angry about. I've also been told that my typing seems angry, usually when the words are flowing easily and I'm typing extra fast.

Yeah, for a while I had an office rep as an "angry typer" - that's exactly how everyone framed it. I guess my typing style was/is audibly more aggressive than other people when I get focused on something.

Re: Ask HN: Do you look angry while you work?

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post #56

I stick my tongue out to the side like a cartoon character. I always thought this was just some sort of trope and not a real thing, but then one time my monitor went blank suddenly and I saw myself.

I just pictured a bearded guy (myself) with a tongue out, wearing a hat facing a bit more to the right, while leaning forward typing on a keyboard. Amusing picture, but unlike me. I look angry when in deep thought and focused. And loud when excited in discussions you'd think I am yelling.

I'm rocking the Gríma Wormtongue/Severus Snape look - hair, nose and all.

I guess the words I looking for to describe how I appear are "vaguely creepy".

Re: Ask HN: Do you look angry while you work?

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*My natural relaxed neutral expression is a frown. I have to exert effort just to position my mouth in a neutral (not frowning, not smiling) position. While walking to the coffee maker in an office, people will often ask me what's wrong. *On the other hand, sometimes when out in public at a store or whatever, I'll force a smile at a stranger, and they almost always smile back. *So I have to assume that my natural frowning face probably hurts my daily interactions.

Re: Ask HN: Do you look angry while you work?

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I've gotten this feedback from those around me for years. Even before I was a coder, when I was an ESL teacher in China, I had multiple students approach me (those I had made friends with, they were all 20-somethings and over) and ask me if I was OK, because I looked angry. I appreciated their concern but I didn't feel angry, so I had no clue what they were talking about. It was only later that I learned about the co…

WFH also means interviews from home. I'm a slender person but am not obviously so in video form. I'm also not especially tall. Again, not obvious. So there are several nice equalizers about WFH that some people don't seem to consider. Anyway, I agree with you that WFH is too good to give up.

Re: Ask HN: Do you look angry while you work?

#128

I do and I also display other strong emotions such as disgust, surprise etc. But I also think that I look angry because I _am_ angry. Anger allows us to increase arousal and helps us focus on an 'obstacle' and programming presents many obstacles. It's self defeating however, because working in this way is exhausting. In working with a close friend, who programs much more patiently and methodically, I'm slowly learnin…

> Anger narrows your focus of attention on what you consider to be the 'threat' or 'obstacle', and anyone who's done technical work knows that the solution is often found by divergent thinking.

This is an interesting perspective. For me, anger sometimes helps me break out of a patient grind on a poor approach to a problem so I can consider more radical, divergent approaches.

For example, week before last, I did a refactoring that affected a few dozen lines of production code, felt good about the change, then ran the complete test suite and discovered hundreds of lines of test code that I had to fix, across dozens of files, because of fixture code that was copy-pasted between files instead of shared as well as rampant use of unnecessary mocks. My patient, responsible side started making the fixes one by one and scolding myself for feeling angry about it, telling myself we're all learning, etc., and this is part of working with less experienced programmers. I guess I'm at a point in my programming journey where for a while now I've been suppressing my elitist tendencies and conditioning myself to accept that it will be my teammates' level, not mine, that dictates the quality of code that we produce, and internally chiding myself for even thinking of it as "shitty code." But this time I snapped. I was too disgusted by what I was doing. I had such a strong "fuck this" reaction that I stopped making the fixes and left my office fuming. I came back an hour later and started consolidating fixtures and rewriting tests. It took me almost a week of unplanned work, but it made me so happy to just fucking kill that shitty code instead of making myself patiently, dutifully deal with it.

I think it was the right thing to do from a team leadership perspective as well. My teammates were surprised at what I was able to do, and now they can see a better way to write tests. We probably won't get that full 4-5 days of effort back in the specific part of the code I was working on, but I am optimistic that future code my team produces will look more like the cleaned up version than the original mess, and the effort will be paid back that way.

Re: Ask HN: Do you look angry while you work?

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That tendency of other humans to jump to conclusions about a person's demeanor and personality based on facial expression is one of the most irritating characteristics of humans. No matter how many times we hear cliche's like "don't judge a book by its cover," people routinely (and confidently) do that all the time.

I agree. I've also come to accept that it's part of human nature and, on an evolutionary scale, is probably a net good. "Judging a book by its cover" probably saved countless cavemen from being eaten by lions, and probably has similar effects today. Nevertheless, your point still stands- it is indeed incredibly unfortunate, for the reasons you mentioned.

>probably saved countless cavemen from being eaten by lions

Though the laughing hyena found a way to game the system...

Re: Ask HN: Do you look angry while you work?

#130
I do. Now I try to consciously reconnect more with my (extremely sophisticated) face muscles (a mirror helps)

IMO, our current lifestyle is certainly not making this any better.

100 years earlier, people communicated/worked with people face to face most of the time. Knowledge work (i.e in your head) was way less frequent. Screens, totally absent.

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