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The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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“ studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.”

Sounds almost like victim blaming. If true, if there’s something about the bullied that causes them to be bullied, perhaps bullying is actually a form of social correction. Not that nature should be our guide, but often harsh social behavior is functional from an evolutionary standpoint. That said,

What huge imago made A psychopathic god: I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return.

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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“ studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.” Sounds almost like victim blaming. If true, if there’s something about the bullied that causes them to be bullied, perhaps bullying is actually a form of social correction. Not that nature should be our guide, but often harsh social behavior is functional from an evol…

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Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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One of the huge problems in schools, as well as in cyberspace is bullying in social ostracism (shunning etc) as well as beating. It trains people to 'shed water' in their actions. Surrender to bullies, yield to their demands and otherwise 'toady' to them. Anyone who objects or fights back feels the weight of the online or schoolyard pack members. This is, I feel, exacerbated by the relentless increase in the cost of teacher oversight. The use of teachers is an abuse of their role as teachers. They need a class of staff - watchers etc. There were often student monitors when I was young to supplement the misuse of teachers in lieu of employed as watchers. What is the solution? There is a need for the halls/stairwells/yards to have a watcher present on each landing, hall segment, entry, exit and all corners of yards/approaches. This is a lot of people to add to the budget = it is neglected, this is why they stopped using teachers $$. The only solution is remote watching with a central operating room. Sounds like China? - not so much. China has a hated government, as recent riots show. There is an old adage, 'In loco parentis' https://www.lawnow.org/search/?q=loco

We have all read/seen Lord of the Flies - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies

What we see in unfolding in schools (and in our neighborhoods) is the same sort of structure engendered by a lack of supervision by 'Parentis' over various groups. So we must assert control in schools/yards/neighborhoods/online to the degree needed to limit the levels of oppression exerted by peers/cliques/gangs so people are free to go about without some one/gang/clique wanting to exert control.

So if we put 4K cams in schools/yards/halls with a watch room - is that OK, what if we have 'true Parentis' watching this stream as well as staff members? If Johnny bullies Lenny and one of the parents tells Johnnie's parents - who looks at this later and chastises Johhny - will this work? Will he not care = it's a jungle, he has to 'man up' a Lord of the Flies response?

The same thing plays out in many schools/cities, the hordes of students and gangs and street people are a large LOTF experiment. This HAS to be solved. To what degree do other countries have this problem?

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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post #2

“ studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.” Sounds almost like victim blaming. If true, if there’s something about the bullied that causes them to be bullied, perhaps bullying is actually a form of social correction. Not that nature should be our guide, but often harsh social behavior is functional from an evol…

> “ studies suggest that public health interventions could aim at preventing children from becoming the target of bullying behaviours from an early age.”

> Sounds almost like victim blaming.

The public health measures could be directed at the bullies, no?

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Reminder that this study is only showing a correlation.

It could also be the well-known effect that "weaker" (physically or mentally) people are more likely to be bullied.

The way to test causation is to have a "control" group with normal environmental bullying levels, and a second group which is otherwise identical to the first, randomly targeted by the scientists for extra bullying. This would of course be unethical. It also wouldn't be double-blind, and also wouldn't be the same process anyway. In short, it's impossible to prove empirically.

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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i was bullied for a number of years at a local school in my home town (northern UK) from the age of 5 until 10 by the son of my school's headmaster (!!). i was even caned by that headmaster for "telling stories" that his son was bullying me.

i learned most of this much, much later as an adult, but TL;dr my parents met many times with the headmaster, who simply refused to believe his son would bully anyone. my father and the headmaster apparently almost came to blows (but didn't, my dad is a good man) and the upshot was that i was withdrawn from that school and sent to a very austere Georgian quaker boarding school for the remaining 8 years of schooling. the change of school of course removed the headmaster's son's bullying, but introduced other [boarding school type] issues which likely scarred me in other ways. but at least the bully was gone from my life!

n.b. some ~25 years later i did actually meet the bully/headmaster's son at a random event back in the UK; he had no memory of the bullying and i was heartened to observe that his life was a disaster and he was desperately unhappy.

that made the ~5 years of bullying feel at least like it got me something.

Re: The persistent and pervasive impact of bullying in childhood and adolescence

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Reminder that this study is only showing a correlation. It could also be the well-known effect that "weaker" (physically or mentally) people are more likely to be bullied. The way to test causation is to have a "control" group with normal environmental bullying levels, and a second group which is otherwise identical to the first, randomly targeted by the scientists for extra bullying. This would of course be unethica…

"It could be that "weak" (physically and/or mentally) people tend to get bullied more."

This is absolutely true in my experience. It's the same way that many criminals prey on the smaller/older/weaker in society. Why pick a target that has a good chance of winning in a fight? I'm sure plenty of others have anecdotes, but I fought a bully, won, and they were always friendly after that.

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