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Bitcoin's comeback: should Western Union be afraid?

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Re: Bitcoin's comeback: should Western Union be afraid?

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I don't think that's an analogy you really want to draw. The Euro's current problems are due to governments with Euro-denominated debt being unable to take the easy way out of servicing their debt by printing money. One of Bitcoin's defining features is that it's impossible for governments to devalue the currency by just printing money. Since both currencies behave the same way in this regard, a Bitcoin economy would…

"Easy way out of servicing their debt" is a facile misrepresentation of the problem. The problem for a country like, for instance Spain, is that their current account balance has gone highly negative. This can be due to government overspending or private overspending and contraction. In fact Spain didn't have a big public debt problem before the crisis. Their problems stem mostly from contraction of the private secto…

And most importantly Americans are highly mobile; Michiganders can head off to Chicago or Atlanta so while the prospects for Michigan itself remain bleak, people aren't trapped.

Hmm, don't Spaniards legally have the same ability to move to Germany to take work on equal terms with Germans? What prevents this from happening in practice? Language barrier, prejudice, or ... ?

Re: Bitcoin's comeback: should Western Union be afraid?

#42
post #35

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Not sure why you're getting downvoted for this, especially since this is the main idea of the article. So what's to keep a loose network of independent merchants from popping up around the globe to undercut Western Union?

That already exists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala I'm a little surprised the article didn't mention this.

Yes but Hawala requires that the agents trust each other. A Hawala-like network could be built by agents who do not trust each other. Users of the network would not have to deal with Bitcoin at all.

I don't know if such a system will come into being but it seems like most of the pieces are already in place. The biggest problem would be converting local currencies into and out of Bitcoin.

Re: Bitcoin's comeback: should Western Union be afraid?

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I really like the concept of "metacurrency" that this article talks about. This is exactly the area I think Bitcoin will be most successful. I don't ever see it replacing the dollar, or even credit cards. The one thing that Bitcoin really excels at is the instantaneous transfer of unlimited amounts of money from one place in the world to another. Rick Falkvinge talks about this a bit in his "four drivers" series: htt…

"The one thing that Bitcoin really excels at is the instantaneous transfer of unlimited amounts of money from one place in the world to another." I'm being somewhat pedantic here but Bitcoin is absolutely terrible at this, because Bitcoins are inherently not unlimited. On a less pedantic note, I'm not sure Bitcoin is any better than the alternative of a Bitcoin-free world for your example usage. Lots of "real" US Dol…

Bitcoins are inherently unlimited - they can be divided down to 8 decimal places for a total of 2.1 quadrillion units.

Re: Bitcoin's comeback: should Western Union be afraid?

#44
post #28

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There's a reason no-one else is discussing this angle; this thread isn't about you. The tactic you're employing here and on every other money thread is so common that Wikipedia has a name for it: "coat-rack arguments". You're using HN threads about money transactions as coat-racks for comments that are nominally germane (ie, "Bitcoin allows low-cost and regulation-free &c and ...") but really about your personal dram…

First, I won't stop; certainly not because you and your colleague say I should. Second, I didn't post an advertisement, or a job offer, or a discussion about a random topic. I posted a federal lawsuit about money transmission that is directly related to Bitcoin's purported goals and the title of this article. Enough people have contacted me, some of whom read Hacker News, and some of whom do not, who fully support wh…

I posted a federal lawsuit about money transmission that is directly related to Bitcoin's purported goals and the title of this article.

Just to point out to others reading: The lawsuit thinkcomp posted is one filed by his company.

Re: Bitcoin's comeback: should Western Union be afraid?

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"The one thing that Bitcoin really excels at is the instantaneous transfer of unlimited amounts of money from one place in the world to another." I'm being somewhat pedantic here but Bitcoin is absolutely terrible at this, because Bitcoins are inherently not unlimited. On a less pedantic note, I'm not sure Bitcoin is any better than the alternative of a Bitcoin-free world for your example usage. Lots of "real" US Dol…

Bitcoins are inherently unlimited - they can be divided down to 8 decimal places for a total of 2.1 quadrillion units.

Do you mean "effectively unlimited"? They're not inherently unlimited in the current implementation; quite the opposite in fact!

Re: Bitcoin's comeback: should Western Union be afraid?

#46
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reason no-one else is discussing this angle; this thread isn't about you. The tactic you're employing here and on every other money thread is so common that Wikipedia has a name for it: "coat-rack arguments". You're using HN threads about money transactions as coat-racks for comments that are nominally germane (ie, "Bitcoin allows low-cost and regulation-free &c and ...") but really about your personal dram…

First, I won't stop; certainly not because you and your colleague say I should. Second, I didn't post an advertisement, or a job offer, or a discussion about a random topic. I posted a federal lawsuit about money transmission that is directly related to Bitcoin's purported goals and the title of this article. Enough people have contacted me, some of whom read Hacker News, and some of whom do not, who fully support wh…

FaceCash or FacePalm?

News at 11.

Re: Bitcoin's comeback: should Western Union be afraid?

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The one thing that Bitcoin really excels at is the instantaneous transfer of unlimited amounts of money from one place in the world to another." I'm being somewhat pedantic here but Bitcoin is absolutely terrible at this, because Bitcoins are inherently not unlimited. On a less pedantic note, I'm not sure Bitcoin is any better than the alternative of a Bitcoin-free world for your example usage. Lots of "real" US Dol…

Bitcoins are inherently unlimited - they can be divided down to 8 decimal places for a total of 2.1 quadrillion units.

That's still not unlimited (tempted to quote Princess Bride here, but you're not the OP, so it wouldn't quite fit).

Re: Bitcoin's comeback: should Western Union be afraid?

#48

I can't dispute the author's concession that falling 90% against the dollar in a short period of time is a sign of an unstable currency. On the other hand, I most heartily dispute the author's assertion that rising 90% against the dollar in a month is a sign of a stable currency.

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Re: Bitcoin's comeback: should Western Union be afraid?

#49
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reason no-one else is discussing this angle; this thread isn't about you. The tactic you're employing here and on every other money thread is so common that Wikipedia has a name for it: "coat-rack arguments". You're using HN threads about money transactions as coat-racks for comments that are nominally germane (ie, "Bitcoin allows low-cost and regulation-free &c and ...") but really about your personal dram…

First, I won't stop; certainly not because you and your colleague say I should. Second, I didn't post an advertisement, or a job offer, or a discussion about a random topic. I posted a federal lawsuit about money transmission that is directly related to Bitcoin's purported goals and the title of this article. Enough people have contacted me, some of whom read Hacker News, and some of whom do not, who fully support wh…

You really should stop though. You have but one reputation and you're wrecking it.
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