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Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

jmmv wrote: post #10
ilovecaching wrote: post #7

I highly recommend modern Emacs over VSCode. If you don't want to tinker, Emacs has multiple levels of preconfigured distributions like Prelude, Nano, and Doom Emacs that give the same out of the box working experience. Modern Emacs includes all of the great features of VSCode, plus much more. You get things like: - LSP support for completion, refactoring, listing. - Tree sitter support for super fast highlighting. -…

Yes, but what about remote support? That’s the single most thing I miss from VSCode. I want to run my editor on the local machine so that it can benefit from graphics support and integrate properly with the local windowing system, but I want all heavy lifting (LSP and the like) done on a remote machine. Yes, I can use Emacs over SSH (which I do now), but it has limitations. Yes, I could forward X11, but it’s pretty t…

I use tramp on a devcontainer daily FWIW.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

ananthakumaran wrote: post #31
jmmv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but what about remote support? That’s the single most thing I miss from VSCode. I want to run my editor on the local machine so that it can benefit from graphics support and integrate properly with the local windowing system, but I want all heavy lifting (LSP and the like) done on a remote machine. Yes, I can use Emacs over SSH (which I do now), but it has limitations. Yes, I could forward X11, but it’s pretty t…

I tried to use tramp based setup, but ran into many edge cases. Even popular libraries like flycheck doesn't support tramp very well. Eventually I found mosh and that settled the problem. Mosh + iterm2 + terminal emacs[1] combination works very well. Except a few missing features (fringe, variable font size/multiple fonts), nearly everything else works well. 1: https://ananthakumaran.in/2021/07/31/emacs-remote.html

> I tried to use tramp based setup, but ran into many edge cases. Even popular libraries like flycheck doesn't support tramp very well.

Try using more "core" libraries like flymake that accounted for (or seem to) tramp from the start.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by hollerith »

ilovecaching wrote: post #19
jmmv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but what about remote support? That’s the single most thing I miss from VSCode. I want to run my editor on the local machine so that it can benefit from graphics support and integrate properly with the local windowing system, but I want all heavy lifting (LSP and the like) done on a remote machine. Yes, I can use Emacs over SSH (which I do now), but it has limitations. Yes, I could forward X11, but it’s pretty t…

You can try using emacsserver remotely. I would recommend using SSH proxying instead of messing with emacs over tcp. Personally I use emacs on a large dev machine running in a container in a terminal emulator. I can work from my iPad Pro, iPhone, MacBook Pro, Windows Desktop, Linux Desktop, or any guest machine by just adding one public key. Terminal Emulators are still just GUI apps and fit into the GUI ecosystem. M…

The only time I've seen anyone use "emacs server" or "emacsserver" is to refer to the Emacs Lisp needed to make the command emacsclient (the analog to VS Code's "code" command or TextMate's "mate" command) work.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you are using it to refer to running Emacs remotely without a GUI (i.e., with only a terminal emulator as the UI) even though the person you are replying to specifically stated, "I want to run my editor on the local machine so that it can benefit from graphics support and integrate properly with the local windowing system."

I am writing this to prevent readers of your comment from ending up more confused than they were before they started reading this thread.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by Kalq »

modernerd wrote: post #18
ilovecaching wrote: post #7

I highly recommend modern Emacs over VSCode. If you don't want to tinker, Emacs has multiple levels of preconfigured distributions like Prelude, Nano, and Doom Emacs that give the same out of the box working experience. Modern Emacs includes all of the great features of VSCode, plus much more. You get things like: - LSP support for completion, refactoring, listing. - Tree sitter support for super fast highlighting. -…

This is compelling! But I ended up abandoning Emacs in previous attempts to switch to it. In case anyone can help solve the pain points I remember: 1. Which project management tools do you recommend? (I think I was using Projectile in the past, but from what I recall it left buffers from previous projects open when switching to other projects, which ended up being kind of annoying.) 2. Any advice about automatic whit…

1.projectile-kill-buffers or the built-in project-kill-buffers will do that for the current project. You could run that before switching projects.

2. https://github.com/radian-software/apheleia

3. There might be a way to do this but I'm not sure. Emacs being inherently single threaded probably makes this difficult. But yes, I use M-x (re)compile.

4. libvterm is the best still imo. You can definitely do multiple instances and there's even different tab modes in Emacs now.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by throwanem »

teucris wrote: post #50

Watching the Emacs community, I’m always just blown away by the love and adoration it gets. It’s clear to me that there’s something magical in it, but I can’t seem to tap that magic for myself. I’ve tried - really tried, including relearning lisp - to adopt Emacs roughly four times over my career; it never stuck. I understand the basic benefits, eg keyboard-optimized workflows, deep customization/malleability, etc. B…

This is a tough question to try to answer! I guess I'll cheat by asking one of my own: Can you characterize what about Emacs has put you off?

It took me a few tries too, back in the late noughties, before I finally found it "clicking" with me. I have a pretty good sense of what made that possible, but no idea if your experience is at all similar, so I hesitate to suggest anything in advance of getting a better sense of what I'm suggesting about.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by alexyz12 »

teucris wrote: post #50

Watching the Emacs community, I’m always just blown away by the love and adoration it gets. It’s clear to me that there’s something magical in it, but I can’t seem to tap that magic for myself. I’ve tried - really tried, including relearning lisp - to adopt Emacs roughly four times over my career; it never stuck. I understand the basic benefits, eg keyboard-optimized workflows, deep customization/malleability, etc. B…

I think it's the single tool for many uses thing. It's somehow more satisfying for some chef's to use, love, and care for a single knife to do everything in the kitchen than to buy 100 different chopping products. Emacs is the same way for people who love to build their tool and use it for everything. If you don't feel that way you probably won't see the point which is fine.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by bergheim »

treeblah wrote: post #46
bergheim wrote: post #43

I am loving all this emacs love lately (I am an emacsophile), but I do find all this attention it is getting suddenly a bit surprising. Is it just that "long lines, LSP, fast syntax hightlighting" is making new people interested, or is it just us neckbeards coming out of the woods? I mean, many of these things are just a package-install away right now. I seldom see vim put in the same lime-light, for instance. Or may…

For me its been the questionable stewardship of vscode ( https://github.com/omnisharp/omnisharp-vscode/issues/5276 ) driving me away from vscode and the Emacs from Scratch videos from the System Crafters youtube channel driving me towards Emacs. When I was looking for alternatives I stumbled on those videos and they blew me away. Also Emacs 28/29 has been way more welcoming and easy to get started with than when I fi…

How people expect anything else from a huge corporation is mind-boggling to me. They open source something and people think they are being alturistic. Just like android. You start with open source, then move more and more things behind the corpwall.

Emacs is free and is free for life.

Also Davids channel is most excellent. There's a discord channel where people are very friendly and helpful as well.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by haolez »

teucris wrote: post #50

Watching the Emacs community, I’m always just blown away by the love and adoration it gets. It’s clear to me that there’s something magical in it, but I can’t seem to tap that magic for myself. I’ve tried - really tried, including relearning lisp - to adopt Emacs roughly four times over my career; it never stuck. I understand the basic benefits, eg keyboard-optimized workflows, deep customization/malleability, etc. B…

I was an avid user and it's amazing how it's able to port abstractions between its various modes. For example, you can use an auto complete plugin that replaces text with regexes to rename a batch of files.

But nowadays I tend to prefer technologies that work reasonably well with a set of sane defaults. Emacs works really well when you are working on really hard problems and programming fringe things from scratch, but it pales in comparison to the productivity of simple no code tools that's been flourishing recently.

That's the experience for the kind of work I've been doing recently, which are mostly CRUD apps to support a business. It might not be true in other domains.

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