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Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

#11

Post by fayten »

modernerd wrote: post #8

Wow, Eglot/Treesitter/better package support in 29 make me want to try Emacs again. > Install packages from source with package.el Emacs users updating to 29: do you plan to use this instead of Straight now? If not, can you help me to understand what more Straight provides? Emacs on macOS users: do you generally compile new versions of Emacs from source, or wait for ports like Mitsuharu Yamamoto's one[1] to update? […

My preferred distribution for emacs on macos is: https://github.com/d12frosted/homebrew-emacs-plus

It's well documented and supported, I highly recommend it!

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

#12

Post by yewenjie »

Its great to see both eglot and tree-sitter being merged. However, I am unhappy about the state of 'emacs configurations/distributions' right now. I have been using Doom Emacs, but the development is pretty much stalled there [0], and I don't think there is any distribution that is keeping up with these cutting-edge features (compared to the NeoVim ecosystem, let's say). Somehow it feels like I was seeing a lot more activity about Emacs configurations two-three years ago.

> Compile EmacsLisp files ahead of time

Ooh, this is interesting. Hoping to see a derivation in https://github.com/nix-community/emacs-overlay soon.

[0] I am not complaining though as Doom was the main author's personal config from the get-go. I am just pointing out a void.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by mark_l_watson »

modernerd wrote: post #8

Wow, Eglot/Treesitter/better package support in 29 make me want to try Emacs again. > Install packages from source with package.el Emacs users updating to 29: do you plan to use this instead of Straight now? If not, can you help me to understand what more Straight provides? Emacs on macOS users: do you generally compile new versions of Emacs from source, or wait for ports like Mitsuharu Yamamoto's one[1] to update? […

I just started using Straight a few months ago, best improvement that I have experienced in 40 years of Emacs use. I will definitely try switching to built in support for package.el, as well as switch to eglot and other new built-in features. I prefer shorter Emacs config files.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

#15

Post by mark_l_watson »

fayten wrote: post #11
modernerd wrote: post #8

Wow, Eglot/Treesitter/better package support in 29 make me want to try Emacs again. > Install packages from source with package.el Emacs users updating to 29: do you plan to use this instead of Straight now? If not, can you help me to understand what more Straight provides? Emacs on macOS users: do you generally compile new versions of Emacs from source, or wait for ports like Mitsuharu Yamamoto's one[1] to update? […

My preferred distribution for emacs on macos is: https://github.com/d12frosted/homebrew-emacs-plus It's well documented and supported, I highly recommend it!

Thanks!! I hadn’t seen this, will try it today.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

#16

Post by Tomte »

matthews2 wrote: post #13
Tomte wrote: post #5

> Native access to SQLite databases I'm excited for this. May there be a nice database CRUD mode in the future.

There's sqlite-mode, try it with M-x sqlite-mode-open-file :)

That's only for display, or am I mistaken? Can I change entries?

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

#17

Post by YetAnotherNick »

yewenjie wrote: post #12

Its great to see both eglot and tree-sitter being merged. However, I am unhappy about the state of 'emacs configurations/distributions' right now. I have been using Doom Emacs, but the development is pretty much stalled there [0], and I don't think there is any distribution that is keeping up with these cutting-edge features (compared to the NeoVim ecosystem, let's say). Somehow it feels like I was seeing a lot more…

It's definitely not stalled by any metric: https://github.com/doomemacs/doomemacs/commits/master

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

#18

Post by modernerd »

ilovecaching wrote: post #7

I highly recommend modern Emacs over VSCode. If you don't want to tinker, Emacs has multiple levels of preconfigured distributions like Prelude, Nano, and Doom Emacs that give the same out of the box working experience. Modern Emacs includes all of the great features of VSCode, plus much more. You get things like: - LSP support for completion, refactoring, listing. - Tree sitter support for super fast highlighting. -…

This is compelling! But I ended up abandoning Emacs in previous attempts to switch to it. In case anyone can help solve the pain points I remember:

1. Which project management tools do you recommend? (I think I was using Projectile in the past, but from what I recall it left buffers from previous projects open when switching to other projects, which ended up being kind of annoying.)

2. Any advice about automatic whitespace/indentation handling with Emacs?

Ideally I want to have Emacs automatically:

- Use a prettier config if present.

- Fall back to editorconfig if present.

- Infer whitespace from the file if no formatting configs are found.

- Match and auto-format indentation when pasting text.

That's pretty much how it works with VS Code. I really struggled to recreate this in Emacs the last time I tried, and as silly as it sounds it ultimately put me off using Emacs. (I work across a lot of repos with different languages and conventions; with Emacs I had to double-check every commit for whitespace issues, but with VS Code I rarely think about it.)

3. How do you handle long-running processes in Emacs? I struggled to find a way to run multiple build processes in the background and quickly switch between/kill/read output/restart them. (Is M-x compile the right approach, or is there something else?)

4. Is libvterm still the best terminal emulator for Emacs? From VS Code/tmux I'm used to being able to summon multiple terminal instances with different tabs/ splits, and the experience in Emacs felt less good last time I tried to recreate this.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by ilovecaching »

jmmv wrote: post #10
ilovecaching wrote: post #7

I highly recommend modern Emacs over VSCode. If you don't want to tinker, Emacs has multiple levels of preconfigured distributions like Prelude, Nano, and Doom Emacs that give the same out of the box working experience. Modern Emacs includes all of the great features of VSCode, plus much more. You get things like: - LSP support for completion, refactoring, listing. - Tree sitter support for super fast highlighting. -…

Yes, but what about remote support? That’s the single most thing I miss from VSCode. I want to run my editor on the local machine so that it can benefit from graphics support and integrate properly with the local windowing system, but I want all heavy lifting (LSP and the like) done on a remote machine. Yes, I can use Emacs over SSH (which I do now), but it has limitations. Yes, I could forward X11, but it’s pretty t…

You can try using emacsserver remotely. I would recommend using SSH proxying instead of messing with emacs over tcp.

Personally I use emacs on a large dev machine running in a container in a terminal emulator. I can work from my iPad Pro, iPhone, MacBook Pro, Windows Desktop, Linux Desktop, or any guest machine by just adding one public key. Terminal Emulators are still just GUI apps and fit into the GUI ecosystem. Modern emulators also have true color support, GPU based rendering, full unicode support, support for custom fonts that add additional graphics, etc. You can make a terminal editor look like something incredibly modern if you want to. I personally don't find any value in that, for me the basic appearance of a terminal editor is less distracting.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

#20

Post by ilovecaching »

modernerd wrote: post #18
ilovecaching wrote: post #7

I highly recommend modern Emacs over VSCode. If you don't want to tinker, Emacs has multiple levels of preconfigured distributions like Prelude, Nano, and Doom Emacs that give the same out of the box working experience. Modern Emacs includes all of the great features of VSCode, plus much more. You get things like: - LSP support for completion, refactoring, listing. - Tree sitter support for super fast highlighting. -…

This is compelling! But I ended up abandoning Emacs in previous attempts to switch to it. In case anyone can help solve the pain points I remember: 1. Which project management tools do you recommend? (I think I was using Projectile in the past, but from what I recall it left buffers from previous projects open when switching to other projects, which ended up being kind of annoying.) 2. Any advice about automatic whit…

Were you trying to make your own config, or use something prerolled like Doom?
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