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Why Is It So Hard for Men to Make Close Friends?

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Re: Why Is It So Hard for Men to Make Close Friends?

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I wish I had some. I heard once, the best or only places to make friends as an adult are where encounters are repeated and casual, so like university and church. But I don’t attend either.

There is more than that. Local sport clubs. Gardening societies etc. etc.

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Men don’t need friends. Men need family. You have some casual friends at work then spend your quality time with family and maybe some childhood friends you kept in touch with. This is the natural way of things.

Ah the good old natural argument, that does ignore that reality (or as some call it: nature) looks different.

What you call natural is societal behaviour that is specific to western society of this day and age. Even in our own society looking three generations back that "nature" looked different and if you cared to look elsewhere than where you live you'd find that what you call "natural" does not exist in certain other cultures as well right now.

Be careful to mistake something feeling natural to you (because you know no different) to something actually being natural in an evolutionary biological sense. Those two are very different bars to clear in terms of proof.

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Men don’t need friends. Men need family. You have some casual friends at work then spend your quality time with family and maybe some childhood friends you kept in touch with. This is the natural way of things.

You do need friends. Spouse and kid don’t share your hobbies…

Likewise it’s helpful to have someone to talk about your problems with other than your spouse. Especially if the problem is your spouse.

Re: Why Is It So Hard for Men to Make Close Friends?

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It is really not hard. Find decent people with which you have something in common. Give them some loyalty and support and if you get some back - you have friends. With years they turn into close friends. Men's friendships are forged they don't just happen. The town - 2010: - I need your help. I can't tell you what it is, you can never ask me about it later, and we're gonna hurt some people. - Whose car are we gonna t…

This doesn't ring true. Friendship is defined by a willingness to engage in violence without reason?

Loyalty means supporting and accepting someone for who they are. Not just doing whatever they ask regardless of consequence.

Re: Why Is It So Hard for Men to Make Close Friends?

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Is this really only applicable to men?

The title is misleading, don't read only it.

The article talk about how men makes close friends almost automatically before (highly related to job) and why it's not the case now.

So yes, the article only focus on men because the reason why men makes close friends almost automatically before doesn't work in how men behave now.

Re: Why Is It So Hard for Men to Make Close Friends?

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Men don’t need friends. Men need family. You have some casual friends at work then spend your quality time with family and maybe some childhood friends you kept in touch with. This is the natural way of things.

If it were natural we wouldn't be facing such a situation and having this debate right now.

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Many of us are victims of feminism to some degree.

I managed to make lasting friends in high school with some gay boys. But after high school, I preferred to hang around straight people, and a straight guy won't get too close--because it might be gay?

I was subjected to decades of gender-based emotional abuse and so my relationships with women are also poor. This is a direct result of feminists and feminism. I developed an attitude that women can fend for themselves and don't really need me to assist or be a gentleman anymore, because feminists drilled that all into my head.

Example: I invited a woman to church one evening and the event had a reception with delicious food afterward. It finished up around 9pm and we were right in the middle of downtown in a major metropolis. I flitted off to the train station chatting to a different woman. I hadn't given a second thought that my companion was stuck downtown wearing dark clothing and she would also need to find a bus stop, alone and female. Honestly none of that occurred to me because I didn't even consider it a "date" or a "companion" for the night.

I have a close male friend but I am extremely troubled on an ethical level that we should not have such a friendship. It's difficult to explain and I'm sure I hurt his feelings but he has a huge family and, if you ask me, I mean little to him compared to others.

COVID-19 and the Internet killed off all my remaining social opportunities. I sit at home and I work and I sleep and I eat, and that's existence. My closest friends are YouTubers and so they get all my likes and subscribes.

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I posted an Ask HN post yesterday, because I want to create a Discord server to idle on and talk about nothing with strangers, with no rules of engagement. Like the good old days of hanging out on IRC.

If you're feeling the loneliness of our times as much as I do, you are more than welcome. Remember to share your Discord name and I'll ping you.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33775355

Re: Why Is It So Hard for Men to Make Close Friends?

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post #25

It is really not hard. Find decent people with which you have something in common. Give them some loyalty and support and if you get some back - you have friends. With years they turn into close friends. Men's friendships are forged they don't just happen. The town - 2010: - I need your help. I can't tell you what it is, you can never ask me about it later, and we're gonna hurt some people. - Whose car are we gonna t…

This doesn't ring true. Friendship is defined by a willingness to engage in violence without reason? Loyalty means supporting and accepting someone for who they are. Not just doing whatever they ask regardless of consequence.

Some people do work like this. They wish to do violence and would prefer some company (for example, perhaps after witnessing a delightful soccer match in Belgium). Of course there are also many fulfilling & intimate friendships where people don't ask for help in hurting people.
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