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DeSopa: a Firefox addon to easily bypass SOPA DNS blocking

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Re: DeSopa: a Firefox addon to easily bypass SOPA DNS blocking

#51

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I think if SOPA passes, Mozilla will remove extensions such as this. I hope this extension is a deterrent to SOPA passing at all.

finnw, the code is actually pretty trivial and does not make use of very special functionality. Further, if SOPA does pass, many even more innovative programs will come out of the woodwork, at the OS layer. I think forcing a patch like that would be a hard sell.

You don't need a OS patch.

I run dnsmasq on my machines, for example, and its primary purpose is to alter DNS resolution - my nameserver is set to localhost, and my dnsmasq configuration sets which DNS servers to use for what top level domains etc., and routes *.local to a flat file on my home server, for example.

Dnsmasq itself isn't suited to avoid SOPA, but it's a good proof of concept for a small dns server that mediates the lookups based on rules, but defer to "regular DNS" for everything else. There are tons of simple DNS servers out there that can easily be modified to do detect likely SOPA blocked domains and use whatever mechanisms to resolve it through non-US servers (even if your upstream ISP gets forced to filter DNS).

Worst case? Distribute zone files of blocked domains as torrents automatically, or hide lookups in otherwise innocuous looking traffic.

If they IP block the sites, the same mechanism can be used to serve up lists of addresses of proxies instead of the real sites.

The system just needs to be faster than the SOPA proponents manage to send their extortion letters to ISPs.

The beauty is that if/when mechanisms like this start becoming commonplace, the cat is out of the bag - they'll never regain control.

Re: DeSopa: a Firefox addon to easily bypass SOPA DNS blocking

#52

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I would like to know as well but I think they are relying on the existing DMCA, which I think have similar provisions: domain seizures but no server manipulation.

AIUI the DMCA does not provide for domain seizures. Those are done under a creative interpretation of the property seizure laws that were written to allow the government to confiscate property used in the commission of a crime, (e.g. seizing and auctioning off cars that were purchased with drug money).

Yea I think you are right. I was probably thinking of takedown notices (which are actually more like the censorship grecy was asking about)

Re: DeSopa: a Firefox addon to easily bypass SOPA DNS blocking

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> HOWEVER THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE INTERNET IS AGAINST. This will prevent all sort of anti-fraud that is going on now. You will wind up bypassing years of innovation to create a black market. It will be detremental. Right now, in meatspace, I have both options: I can pay with cash and have little to no recourse or record, or I can pay with check or credit card and have a record and various fraud protection measures.…

> various bitcoin escrow agencies have popped up But bitcoin escrow agencies don't solve the SOPA problem -- once you have a small number of intermediaries paying these websites, they become the place where the law can apply its force. They will be ordered/coerced to stop funding ThePirateBay or whatever site the media industry targets, so these sites either can't have reliable BC payments or they are subject to bein…

Only if they operate in jurisdictions that can apply such force, and only if they make a connection between their online presence and their offline presence. An escrow agency could operate pseudonymously online without having an offline presence, as long as they built a trusted reputation around their online pseudonym and cryptographic identity.

Re: DeSopa: a Firefox addon to easily bypass SOPA DNS blocking

#55
I love this approach!: SOPA? DeSOPA, MF! Yes, run circles around these idiots.

Tamer, you also do a great job of explaining in passionately clear, objective terms, the SOPA agenda, the weaknesses of its assuptions and it's dire consequences.

However, I strongly take issue with your own assumptions about the value of today's internet services.

More » http://caspiandesign.com/2011/12/21/desopa-great-ff-extensio...

Re: DeSopa: a Firefox addon to easily bypass SOPA DNS blocking

#56
Can anyone elaborate if SOPA will have the power to take down ALL TLDs or only certain ones. i.e do they only control .com, .net and .org?

Wondering if moving to another non US controlled TLD would work.

e.g piratebay.org would also have piratebay.ly which everyone would go to if SOPA took down their .org site

Re: DeSopa: a Firefox addon to easily bypass SOPA DNS blocking

#57
post #34

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Microtransactions in Bitcoin (or heck ads paid with bitcoin). You can't cut of bitcoin transactions because there is by its very definition no place to cut them of. If this is the case, we are only going to get that much closer to the end game.

That might be a solution 5, 10 years down the line. What's the solution today? If you cut any site off from Google/DoubleClick, you've effectively prevented them from monetizing through advertising enough to reach top 100. That's not every site's business model, but there's certainly a class of sites we'd like to exist (of which YouTube is a prime example) that would not be able to exist without access to the US adve…

If you cut of the other ways to get money then Bitcoin is the solution today (or in a few months when it is properly integrated with the merchant software).

Re: DeSopa: a Firefox addon to easily bypass SOPA DNS blocking

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post #34

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Microtransactions in Bitcoin (or heck ads paid with bitcoin). You can't cut of bitcoin transactions because there is by its very definition no place to cut them of. If this is the case, we are only going to get that much closer to the end game.

While you can't prevent transactions in bitcoins, you absolutely can cut off conversions between bitcoins and USD. Just cut them off at the payment provider the same way. Right now, bitcoin exchanges can operate entirely above-board; driving them underground and equating them with money launderers would make it extremely difficult for bitcoin to solve any of the problems that people want it to solve. While many peopl…

So what? Cut them of in USD, sell your bitcoins in Europe, buy USD with Euro (they can't outlaw foreign currency exchanges).

Re: DeSopa: a Firefox addon to easily bypass SOPA DNS blocking

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post #34

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Microtransactions in Bitcoin (or heck ads paid with bitcoin). You can't cut of bitcoin transactions because there is by its very definition no place to cut them of. If this is the case, we are only going to get that much closer to the end game.

I have to say, as much as bitcoin is in a downfall, this actually makes a ton of sense. That was the initial goal of bitcoin, to create a de-centralized currency. As long as the BTC is a STABLE currency this works out well. Or short-term stable. It can become a medium of financial transfer: I buy 10 BTC, donate it, they claim 10 BTC, convert to cash. Done. It would be great if there was a tool to literally facilitate…

The endgame is much, much more than that. Once the US lose control of the money supply it loses a ton of its power and we can (finally) stop fearing Washington.

Re: DeSopa: a Firefox addon to easily bypass SOPA DNS blocking

#60
I don't see how DeSopa can work if ICE seizes domains. As soon as a US-based domain is seized, it will propagate to foreign DNS servers as well. So merely using DNS servers outside the US won't help.

DeSopa might help against local ISPs who engage in censoring certain domains on their nameservers, something the SOPA legislation might mandate, but it won't help if the domains are seized.

Better would be some kind of P2P DNS system proposed by Peter Sunde of Pirate Bay -- a decentralized replacement for ICANN and DNS.

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