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Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by khazhoux »

Any Apple employee (or really, any large-company employee) would agree that this change is months of work. From the original problem statement (people get spammed when they leave AirDrop set to Everyone), to many strongly-opinionated discussions on how to solve (There's not a problem; Pop up a reminder to disable after an hour; Enable only for some period of time [5 minutes, 10 minutes, 1 hour, user-configured]), and then arguments about how to phrase the UI (yes, even for something this small) and mock-ups and product reviews, and then development + QA and internal/Livability testing, and then coordinating for the actual iOS release.

It's a mountain of work, which would have kicked off a long time before any of these protests.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by khazhoux »

throwaway829 wrote: post #398
rib3ye wrote: post #175

This is in response to people spamming AirDrop, a common complaint. Don't jump to conclusions.

If that were true, Apple would just add limiting Airdrop to 10 minutes as an additional default option. Removing Always on airdrop was done because it's the only form of community communications that doesn't go through the Censors.

Apple changes features and removes configurations ("simplifies") all the time. They have a strong bias towards not adding options.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by pmarreck »

firecall wrote: post #509
latexr wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember how Tim Cook’s Apple handled HKmap.live¹, Telegram², and the Navalny app³. Maybe you shouldn’t fight every battle, but he fights none. The richest company in the world has at the helm a person who quotes Martin Luther King Jr on the importance of doing something for others⁴ yet he always kowtows to authoritarian regimes. He’s in a stronger position than most people in the world to make a stand but he never d…

> Maybe you shouldn’t fight every battle, but he fights none. All we know is what has been reported. It would seem improbable what a multi trillion dollar company with it's manufacturing base in China wouldn't be dealing and negotiating with the Chinese authorities as part of day to day operations. To say Tim Cook fights no battles seems unlikely. We cannot make that statement because the reality is that we just don'…

So basically your counterargument is a variation of the Conspiracy Fallacy. "The good actors are hiding the evidence for their goodness!"

(Or perhaps, that was your point!)

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by randyrand »

khazhoux wrote: post #531

Any Apple employee (or really, any large-company employee) would agree that this change is months of work. From the original problem statement (people get spammed when they leave AirDrop set to Everyone), to many strongly-opinionated discussions on how to solve (There's not a problem; Pop up a reminder to disable after an hour; Enable only for some period of time [5 minutes, 10 minutes, 1 hour, user-configured]), and…

I worked at Apple. It really depends on how big a change this is under the hood. iOS already has similar infrastructure for bluetooth toggles.

If it is low risk, it could make it into a dot release with minimal effort.

But yes, minimum time frame a month standard, maybe a couple weeks if it came from high up (which it did) and was time sensitive.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by khazhoux »

smoldesu wrote: post #503
rib3ye wrote: post #175

This is in response to people spamming AirDrop, a common complaint. Don't jump to conclusions.

Just a coincidence that this gets rolled out 9 years after Airdrop debuted.

That's literally the definition of coincidence: unrelated things happening at the same time.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by nomel »

rurp wrote: post #349
snoot wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> which is why Apple's cracking down. This is absurd. Apple is doing this because of government pressure, not because of their own desire to crack down.

Apple is literally the group implementing the change, it's accurate to say "Apple is cracking down". You're trying to paint Apple as a helpless victim here, but they didn't get blindsided by CCP tyranny. The company has spent years developing this exact situation and repeatedly choose to do the bidding of the Chinese government. "Just following orders" is a pitiful excuse, and even worse when the orders are coming fr…

> Apple is literally the group implementing the change, it's accurate to say "Apple is cracking down".

I think it would be more accurate to say that the CCP is cracking down, and Apple is one target of that push.

I don't think it's completely accurate to say that Apple can "choose" these things. There's no "choosing" with the CCP, and there's no "choosing" to manufacture outside of China, at this point [1]. This isn't an Apple problem, it's a worldwide supply chain problem, that all tech companies are stuck in [2].

They're choosing to continue business in China. They're choosing to continue to manufacture in China. Like everyone else, they're choosing to leave China, with manufacturing being pushed to India, Taiwan, Vietnam, and S.Korea. But, in the short term, there's exactly one choice, for both, for them and the rest of the tech sector, that keeps the bills paid. This is a systemic problem, not an Apple problem. It's good to see the world is, finally, waking up to this, beginning the transition, and I think the beginnings of the transition should be celebrated.

1. https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/28/tech/apple-china-manufacturin...

2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/timbajarin/2022/08/30/shifting-...

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

noncoml wrote: post #514
StanislavPetrov wrote: post #507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't until Apple (apparently) threatened to withdraw Twitter from the app store.

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>So you agree with me that this is propaganda by Musk.

I neither agree or disagree as I'm in no position to know if Musk if lying about Apple's threats. I trust Musk exactly as much as I trust Apple or any other big corporation - not at all. However, as an older person who remembers the Microsoft/Netscape episode, I do believe that companies with massive market shares like Apple should be prevented from using their monopolistic power to shut out competitors. This isn't limited to tech (a perfect example being Ticketmaster).

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by lordofgibbons »

rsj_hn wrote: post #504
lordofgibbons wrote: post #496

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China didn't become an authoritarian police state AFTER Apple went in there with their manufacturing. They absolutely knew about CCP behavior, but they went there anyway in order to save money. So, they can't really play the helpless multi-hundred-billion-dollar-corporation victim card.

Apple don't move to China to save money, they moved to China in order to meet high demand. There was simply nowhere else that could produce the volume. And technically, Foxconn is a Taiwanese company, but that's not an important detail. Point is, only Chinese/Taiwanese contract manufacturers could give Apple the volume they needed. I really wish you could talk to some more manufacturing types -- there are many on thi…

>Apple don't move to China to save money, they moved to China in order to meet high demand. There was simply nowhere else that could produce the volume.

This is the situation now, but was it also the same situation when Apple started iPod production there in 2001?

From what I understand most of these electronics supply chain advantages China enjoys now are due to large companies like Apple building those out in China in the late 90's and early 2000's. You might remember Japan had a massive electronics manufacturing industry which became "too expensive", so China was the answer to the need of cheap(slave?) labor.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by randyrand »

killjoywashere wrote: post #176
travisgriggs wrote: post #145

I'm a little confused by the "Apple's doing bad here" sentiment. The easier to implement, and definitely more effective solution would have been to just disable the Everyone feature completely. Just remove it from the menu. This would have been something like action.isEnabled = self.isInChina Instead, they went through the effort to actually make it still there, but time bombed. They had to add a timeout function, an…

Yeah, I quite agree. Reposting my comment from above here because this makes a better thread ... I think this 10 minute delay might actually be intended to be protective for the protestors. Any radio transmitter is a beacon that can be localized and destroyed. In serious warfare this is a major issue. "I'm up, they see me, I'm down" is drilled into military operators early and often.

You think Apple is trying to protect protestors?

Do you know which country manufactures the iPhone?

Apple is not suicidal.

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