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Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by indiogrindio »

anon400232 wrote: post #397
ThePhysicist wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The timing of the change seems quite conspicuous [1], and it's also weird that Apple would introduce this in China first and only roll it out to the rest of the world next year. The same article mentions that Apple blocks the Taiwanese flag emoji in China, for which it's hard to come up with an explanation other than bowing to censorship. 1: https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2022/11/netizen-voices-apple-r...

Bowing to censorship? Bowing isn't necessarily done happily. Or maybe more ideas are also in play? Perhaps recognizing the existing power dynamics? Perhaps playing the game over a longer time frame? Not all ethicists recommend "dying on your sword" so to speak. Sometimes it is useful to maintain influence and fight another day. These things are far from simple. If you want Apple to push back on censorship in China, l…

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Post by anigbrowl »

adam_arthur wrote: post #389
anigbrowl wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33779111

The fact that Apple has threatened to withhold it at all is answer enough. But feel free to live life with your head in the sand

I'm not convinced that it is a fact, though.

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Post by dkokelley »

kelnos wrote: post #291
gorkish wrote: post #73

I have to admit that when you actually look at the details this is a rather perplexing change. Ditto for reading the comments here. Is Apple being Pro-CCP with this change? If you open airdrop to everyone, your device can be tracked and identified individually. When this setting is disabled, this becomes far harder. I'm of the opinion that this change is good and actually increases security across the board, includin…

> Is Apple being Pro-CCP with this change? I don't think Apple is Pro-CCP, Apple is Pro-Being-Able-To-Do-Business-In-China, which means doing whatever the CCP tells you to do, even if it means compromising your ethics.

At the risk of being an Apple apologist, their manufacturing is effectively held hostage by China. Yes Apple is taking the "make more profit" choice, but the alternative is pretty devastating to the company. Long term, Apple needs to diversify their manufacturing footprint.

(Note that I still think Apple would adhere to the CCP's requests/laws just to be able to sell in China. China would ban Apple products if they believed Apple was not cooperative.)

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by latexr »

anon400232 wrote: post #397
ThePhysicist wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The timing of the change seems quite conspicuous [1], and it's also weird that Apple would introduce this in China first and only roll it out to the rest of the world next year. The same article mentions that Apple blocks the Taiwanese flag emoji in China, for which it's hard to come up with an explanation other than bowing to censorship. 1: https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2022/11/netizen-voices-apple-r...

Bowing to censorship? Bowing isn't necessarily done happily. Or maybe more ideas are also in play? Perhaps recognizing the existing power dynamics? Perhaps playing the game over a longer time frame? Not all ethicists recommend "dying on your sword" so to speak. Sometimes it is useful to maintain influence and fight another day. These things are far from simple. If you want Apple to push back on censorship in China, l…

Remember how Tim Cook’s Apple handled HKmap.live¹, Telegram², and the Navalny app³. Maybe you shouldn’t fight every battle, but he fights none. The richest company in the world has at the helm a person who quotes Martin Luther King Jr on the importance of doing something for others⁴ yet he always kowtows to authoritarian regimes. He’s in a stronger position than most people in the world to make a stand but he never does. At a certain point he’s out of excuses. He fights for money, nothing more.

¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HKmap.live

² https://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/apple-telegram-belarus/

³ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/google-apple-remove-nav...

⁴ Check the bio: https://twitter.com/tim_cook

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by chrisseaton »

TylerE wrote: post #415
bell-cot wrote: post #408

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Have you looked at how much stuff there is under Settings on a recent version of iOS? Admittedly it's not the Windows Registry, but...

Sadly it's missing a few things that would be really nice, like being able to turn off the %*(% home bar.

What's the beef with the home bar? Seems pretty innocent?

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by guelo »

rchaud wrote: post #213

Time for a new operating system (if we didn't already hit that mark with the 2013 NSA leaks). Apple, Google, Samsung, Huawei: they all exist at the pleasure of the state. Please ignore their glitzy PR-laden presentations about protecting people's privacy and upholding human rights. They will sell you out in a second if it's convenient. On the mobile side of things, we need, at the barest minimum: - a web based OS wit…

You don't need a whole new OS, Android is open source and can be forked. The problem is that people's expectation of polish on their phones is through the roof and nobody has figured out how to fund that kind of development effort. CyanogenMod came close but was torn apart, though LineageOS is still there.

In my opinion LineageOS should ditch the neverending cycle of trying to keep up with Google's increasingly useless Android releases, just pick a branch point and leave Google behind. It's the only way to implement OS features and be able to maintain them going forward. Then they should focus on features users actually want and that Google would never implement, for example OS level adblock and firewalls.

Instead of other existing attempts that focus on nebulous privacy and security, things that users don't really care about, the focus should be on giving users back the control that Google and Apple have taken away from us. Note that user-control and security can often be seen as being at odds. An OS that chooses user-control could be a strong differentiator that would set it apart from Google/Apple, who always frame their removal of user-control as a security/privacy feature.

But still, the tricky bit is figuring out a funding model.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by stingrae »

ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #163
miguelazo wrote: post #81

How does this actually limit the dissemination of information? You have 10 minutes, and then can reinitiate? Seems like a reasonable security precaution.

I'm an educator and one thing that's actually been happening is some of our older kids will see school buses out on the road and will just try to airdrop obscene content to kids ON the bus. We had literally talked about hoping there could be some default "off" behavior for airdrop, so this actually will (at least for me) be a welcome change in behavior!

That is a good reason to have airdrop default to off but not a good reason to remove always on, if you want it.

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Post by falcolas »

jsnell wrote: post #298
falcolas wrote: post #201

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All I've been able to find on "Google moves pixel manufacturing out of China" is rumors. Rumors they were moving some of them to Vietnam. Rumors that they were moving some to India. But no official notification that they've been moved. No notes on their storefront on where the pixel phones are being manufactured. The most convincing article I found was an un-sourced piece from "hothardware" (and nothing shouts legiti…

The fact is that Google left China 12 years ago and never returned. They gave up on the search ad revenue in the world's second largest economy. They gave up on the app store revenue in the world's largest smartphone market. That's a hell of a thing for a big company to do as a matter of principle. Some exec tried to run a project to re-enter China with search, and the project was axed the moment it became widely kno…

> Why are you trying to tear down the company that's done the right thing in this situation?

Yes, Google got out (arguably, they got kicked out) of China. But their stealth attempts to get back into that market matter just as much. Because they display the current direction Google's leadership wants to take the company.

They want to take it back to China. And that matters.

Opinion time:

Wanting to get back into China is worse than having an existing relationship. Because they know the shit it will cause, the censorship they will have to implement, the human rights they'll have impinge upon, and they're ready to dive right fucking into that with their eyes wide open - ready to accept it all as the cost of tapping China's phat assets.

They can't even use the (weak assed) "we're a frog that's been slowly boiled" or the "what's capitulation to one more command" arguments.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by hellfish »

anon400232 wrote: post #397
ThePhysicist wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The timing of the change seems quite conspicuous [1], and it's also weird that Apple would introduce this in China first and only roll it out to the rest of the world next year. The same article mentions that Apple blocks the Taiwanese flag emoji in China, for which it's hard to come up with an explanation other than bowing to censorship. 1: https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2022/11/netizen-voices-apple-r...

Bowing to censorship? Bowing isn't necessarily done happily. Or maybe more ideas are also in play? Perhaps recognizing the existing power dynamics? Perhaps playing the game over a longer time frame? Not all ethicists recommend "dying on your sword" so to speak. Sometimes it is useful to maintain influence and fight another day. These things are far from simple. If you want Apple to push back on censorship in China, l…

> Perhaps recognizing the existing power dynamics?

by "power dynamics", do you mean lies propagated by the CCP?

> Perhaps playing the game over a longer time frame?

Apple isn't a government. What do you mean here exactly? Money? That propagating lies for money is a legitimate way of doing business?

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