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Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says

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Re: Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says

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luxuryballs wrote: post #377
eloff wrote: post #291

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When this technology finally gets there, and I see no reason to think it won't eventually, it will change the world so dramatically. The amount of land and water we won't need to raise animals or food for animals it's staggering. The amount of meat the world consumes will double by the end of the century (will it? I made that up). As the world gets richer, people eat more meat. Combine that with a rising population a…

Sounds like eating real meat is going to become a wealthy person thing.

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randomdata wrote: post #320
eloff wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When this technology finally gets there, and I see no reason to think it won't eventually, it will change the world so dramatically. The amount of land and water we won't need to raise animals or food for animals it's staggering. The amount of meat the world consumes will double by the end of the century (will it? I made that up). As the world gets richer, people eat more meat. Combine that with a rising population a…

> We could rewild huge parts of the Earth Probably not without radically changing how we grow plants for human consumption, assuming we still eat plants and don't move to an all-meat diet. Looking over the data for the area I farm, according to government figures, 36% of the cropland is used for animal food. Most farmers here grow a rotation of soybeans, corn, edible beans, and wheat. The edible beans and wheat are i…

If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

Half of the world’s habitable land is used for agriculture ... and 77% of it is used for livestock: meat and dairy

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use

More than three-quarters (77%) of global soy is fed to livestock for meat and dairy production. Most of the rest is used for biofuels, industry or vegetable oils. Just 7% of soy is used directly for human food products such as tofu, soy milk, edamame beans, and tempeh.

https://ourworldindata.org/soy

Re: Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says

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Post by aendruk »

t0bia_s wrote: post #350

Why "meat"? Why not a new name? Giving a product name that is defined for opposite is wired marketing.

If you read the FDA’s memo you’ll see they didn’t call it meat.

https://www.fda.gov/media/163261/download

Labeling is a separate issue from whether it’s edible.

Re: Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says

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Post by jcampbell1 »

chollida1 wrote: post #66
prometheus76 wrote: post #52

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It's meat, but also without the immune system so...good luck.

Can you explain the significance of your statement? Surely the meat we all eat is dead along with the immune system and then cooked.

Animals are deuterstomes, meaning there is a nonsterile side, which is the skin and everything between the mouth and anus. Then there is the inside, which is sterile and protected by the immune system. If your blood or muscle tissue has bacteria, you are headed for a septic death or gangrene.

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Post by ben_w »

dudeofea wrote: post #296
blargey wrote: post #272

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Is a fungal disease that ravages crop organisms grown in the open (wild varieties included) supposed to be an argument against growing food in a sterile, controlled environment?

The source of potato blight is from the genetic similarity of the potatoes grown, as potatoes clone themselves when grown from potato seed (small potatoes) rather than "true" potato seeds, from their flowers. They are naturally selected, then naturally cloned en masse. Lab grown meat will have the same problem assuming the cells have little to no genetic diversity. Even if grown in a sterile environment, they could b…

> Lab grown meat will have the same problem assuming the cells have little to no genetic diversity.

I know it isn't on quite the same scale as literally cloning the cells, but livestock isn't a very deep gene pool. Lots of selective breeding, by the same mindset that gave european nobility weak chins.

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Post by randomdata »

jcampbell1 wrote: post #360
randomdata wrote: post #354

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> Soybeans are crushed ... The oil is sold to consumers as soybean oil in most of the world, and marketed as vegetable oil in the US. That's the 40% I referred to. Crushers, while generally less profitable, are a better fit for my poorer ground. I lumped this in as animal food to keep things simple, but you're right that there is also human uses. You could write books about the subject if you want to capture all the…

Ah interesting. I’ve never known anyone who grows IP beans because the farmers I know are in NC which is a meat state. Are IP beans kept moist or sold dry?

Dry, and strictly so. At least for the market I sell in they must be between 11% and 14.5% moisture off the combine (must be naturally dried).

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Post by virtualritz »

eloff wrote: post #291
superkuh wrote: post #33

It will be animal cells differentiated into muscle tissues on collagen scaffolds initially. The technology comes from attempts to grow functional organs (ie, liver) that are biocompatible in the body serum proper. If there aren't health effects from transplantation within the animal type you can probably eat the animal tissues just fine. It's the same thing. It's meat. It's just without the animal suffering. And hope…

When this technology finally gets there, and I see no reason to think it won't eventually, it will change the world so dramatically. The amount of land and water we won't need to raise animals or food for animals it's staggering. The amount of meat the world consumes will double by the end of the century (will it? I made that up). As the world gets richer, people eat more meat. Combine that with a rising population a…

> As the world gets richer, people eat more meat.

Living in central Berlin (Mitte), one of the most expensive parts of the city, it feels the opposite is happening.

Everything here is vegan or vegetarian at least.

Even a steak place next door to where I live has vegan plates.

On that note: it made me sad that all the dramatic changes you listed omitted the suffering of animals.

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Post by chrisco255 »

CaptainNegative wrote: post #347
jokethrowaway wrote: post #335

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I think you're overestimating that, probably because of vegan propaganda. Eg. A lot of the water you use for animals turns into milk or pee (or sweat?), and goes back to the cycle of water. I don't like posting videos but this one goes through several points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGG-A80Tl5g

Literally no one worth a mention was saying the animal slaughter industry adds or removes water from the water cycle in meaningful quantities. The issue with their water usage is in the redirection of the limited fresh water sources into the virtually unlimited saltwater oceans, or pollutes it beyond the point of usability for any form of life.

The limit on fresh water is a local problem. Maybe that's an issue in California during dry years, but not in North Carolina or Iowa, which are subject to completely different rainfall patterns.

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bobobob420 wrote: post #344
asdff wrote: post #304

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Everything you eat requires killing. We are only weird about killing for meat because as conscious life we are biased towards conscious life. Meanwhile, we don't blink an eye if we take down an entire field of corn, or even take town an entire forest to grow that field of midwestern corn, because its unconcious life and not valued by our moral principles. The secret is to just treat things with respect. You can be re…

?? We are not carnivores. We are literally some line between herbivores and omnivores. Carnivores have to kill or they will most likely starve to death. Vegtables and fruits are the natural foods of earth for herbivores and omnivores and some carnivores. You are not killing when you eat plants and fruits. Fruits and vegtables want to be eaten for their seeds to spread. It is not a question of concious vs unconcious.…

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