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pessimizer wrote: post #63
elicash wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of twitter, it's weird Musk hasn't commented yet on the protests in China. Looking forward to him taking on censorship and standing for free speech around the globe, particularly in China.

I'm not sure why you want to hear Musk's opinions on the protests in China, I assume it's either because you're a big fan or because you think its essential that every rich person opine about every issue so that the poors know how they should think about it. What I wonder is why so many libs are so happy about anti-covid lockdown protests? Backwards day, or just nationalists?

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mhoad wrote: post #9

I don’t ever want to hear again how Apple is some champion of privacy and ethics. I’ve lost count of how many scandals have come out of their relationship with China from the suicide nets to the repeated investigations showing their supply chain was riddled with slave labor that they would later campaign against protections that would prevent it. Now this. They are fucked as a company, I can’t get out of their ecosys…

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Post by falcolas »

josteink wrote: post #34
mikysco wrote: post #29

It's difficult to defend Apple in this scenario but Apple's relationship with China is just like every other company's (western or otherwise) - at the end of the day, China holds all the cards. If you don't bow to their authoritarian edict, you are kicked out of the country. The energy and anger should (as per usual) be directed at China and the Chinese communist party to a much greater degree than Apple. I'm assumin…

> If you don't bow to their authoritarian edict, you are kicked out of the country. Apple, of all companies, can probably afford to do that though. But they keep on doing business there. That’s a bit depressing. (Written on my iPhone)

The reason is the same one that most electronics companies (and certainly most cell phone brands) do business in China:

It's cheap.

Cheap labor, few/no penalties for pollution, abundant cheap electricity, inexpensive labor safety, etc.

It's the dream of outsourcing realized.

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Post by mrtweetyhack »

tananaev wrote: post #35
mhoad wrote: post #9

I don’t ever want to hear again how Apple is some champion of privacy and ethics. I’ve lost count of how many scandals have come out of their relationship with China from the suicide nets to the repeated investigations showing their supply chain was riddled with slave labor that they would later campaign against protections that would prevent it. Now this. They are fucked as a company, I can’t get out of their ecosys…

On one hand, yes, it's not ideal. On the other hand it's still probably a better alternative to a Chinese phone that spies on you. What is the alternative? If they take a stance, they will be banned from China completely. You need to pick your battles instead of being idealist. Look at Russia. There was an opposition back in the day, but they couldn't agree between each other because of smaller differences. And now w…

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HardlyCurious wrote: post #60
mhoad wrote: post #38

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This is a breathtakingly naive take. Like yes sure, get mad at the CCP but Apple have a long history of shit like this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-u...

We need sanctions. You can't expect corporations to wage international campaigns for human rights, nor do we want that corporations to exercise such power. We need govt action.

There has been a major ten year push inside of government to try and get companies (especially those in tech) to start decoupling from China on national security grounds as a way to get a similar outcome and not leave the US companies massively exposed to sudden action like sanctions.

Those calls have mostly gone unanswered and Apple in particular has repeatedly gone out of its way to double down on its China relationship over that same time period.

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Post by pessimizer »

Mistletoe wrote: post #43
throwaway23597 wrote: post #2

Apple: where it's totally fine to build products with what amounts to slave labor, and aiding the CCP in censorship is totally cool too, but Twitter is far too dangerous to be allowed on the app store because a meanie is in charge of it.

Why not both? This is a false equivalence, they can be and are all bad.

> This is a false equivalence

> they can be and are all bad.

This sentence is arguing against itself, because you felt like you had to stick two twitter cliches in. Por que no los dos? Porque cuando dos cosas no son identicas, no son identicas tampoco.

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Post by DashAnimal »

falcolas wrote: post #76
alphabetting wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure Google has been mostly out of China since Operation Aurora.

They're still trying to get back in. See project Dragonfly for example.

Dragonfly was discontinued in 2018, MAYBE mid 2019. That is 3-4 years ago.

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Post by jdmoreira »

are people really surprised the world biggest corporation has to cave to the worlds second largest economy? What do people expect really? Do people even understand the kind of incentives at play here?

What does this have to do with the quality of their products?

Apple is an artificial entity, a corporation and it's only loyalty by design is with the wallets of it's shareholders.

What's surprising about this?

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Post by yamtaddle »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #28
mhoad wrote: post #9

I don’t ever want to hear again how Apple is some champion of privacy and ethics. I’ve lost count of how many scandals have come out of their relationship with China from the suicide nets to the repeated investigations showing their supply chain was riddled with slave labor that they would later campaign against protections that would prevent it. Now this. They are fucked as a company, I can’t get out of their ecosys…

The problem is that the alternative (Google) is worse.

In general the problem is that there are very few players in even the same general space as Apple, and practically none of them seem to really be chasing the same market as Apple, so for many Apple users there's basically no suitable substitute. It lets them have entire dud releases (several models in a row of macbooks, for instance) but if you start looking around for alternatives it quickly becomes clear you'll gain two or three problems for every one you avoid, even when Apple releases an unusually-bad version of one of their products.

It's like that with everything. "Apple spies on you more than you might think"—OK, that's bad and I'd rather they didn't, but who's better? Hell, who's not worse? And god no, not Linux, I did that for over a decade and I mean a product that you can pay for to solve problems for you, like computers and tools generally are supposed to do, not one you can spend a bunch of time manually tuning and working around various limitations and problems and still not have something as useful as Apple's stuff in actual day-to-day real-world life. I want to solve problems, I don't want another hobby of maintaining my problem-solving machine, that crap's why people hate computers so much.

No surprise it's like this, really—there are two smartphone operating systems and three viable desktop operating systems (I'm being generous and counting ChromeOS) controlled by three total vendors. Of course the market's totally fucked up.

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