AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes • Hacker News Board

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by echelon » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 8:11 PM UTC

tananaev wrote: post #35

mhoad wrote: post #9

I don’t ever want to hear again how Apple is some champion of privacy and ethics. I’ve lost count of how many scandals have come out of their relationship with China from the suicide nets to the repeated investigations showing their supply chain was riddled with slave labor that they would later campaign against protections that would prevent it. Now this. They are fucked as a company, I can’t get out of their ecosys…

On one hand, yes, it's not ideal. On the other hand it's still probably a better alternative to a Chinese phone that spies on you. What is the alternative? If they take a stance, they will be banned from China completely. You need to pick your battles instead of being idealist. Look at Russia. There was an opposition back in the day, but they couldn't agree between each other because of smaller differences. And now w…

Apple loves to keep up appearances, but they are behind some of the worst behaviors in our industry.

Apple has already soured competition in computing by making the App Store the only way to reach 51+% of Americans with your software. They heavily tax it, artificially limit your ability to update and deploy, force you to devote resources to regularly adhere to Apple standards, let people place ads under your name, kill your customer relationships, force deep Apple product integrations, etc.

"CSAM device scanning" is a Trojan horse that will absolutely be abused in situations like we're seeing in China now.

Apple sells itself on privacy, yet collects more info on you than Facebook to feed their growing ads business. It's hypocrisy.

Other major tech companies looked at China and said no. Why can't Apple?

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by macinjosh » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 8:11 PM UTC

When I signed up for this site 12 years ago I was a huge Apple fan and almost steered my web dev career into iOS dev. Really glad I didn't do that, but also wish I could change my HN username now!

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by huslage » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 8:11 PM UTC

In what way does this censor anyone? Censorship would be Apple disabling Airdrop altogether, not coming up with some compromise so that its users could still do their work.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by tinglymintyfrsh » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 8:12 PM UTC

elicash wrote: post #11

I remember in Hong Kong that protesters used a bluetooth app (Bridgefy and maybe others) to communicate.

IIRC, Firechat was The Thing for PRC and Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireChat

Sessions is better than Signal since it doesn't require a phone number. IYAM, it should add Android + iOS serverless&internetless BT support.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by karaterobot » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 8:12 PM UTC

If you buy Apple products and call for Apple to change their behavior, it will have much less of an effect on their decision making than if you stopped buying their products.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by falcolas » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 8:12 PM UTC

asdff wrote: post #32

They should implement that in the U.S. too. Plenty of people are getting laughs sitting in public looking for phones to airdrop anything from dumb memes to straight up porn onto.

Sounds like a fine option, but it should not be the only option (as it is displayed in the tweets).

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by jibbers » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 8:13 PM UTC

mhoad wrote: post #9

I don’t ever want to hear again how Apple is some champion of privacy and ethics. I’ve lost count of how many scandals have come out of their relationship with China from the suicide nets to the repeated investigations showing their supply chain was riddled with slave labor that they would later campaign against protections that would prevent it. Now this. They are fucked as a company, I can’t get out of their ecosys…

> suicide nets

I assume this is about Foxconn. Does that mean you'll be boycotting other companies that also work with them, like Amazon, Dell, Google, HP, Intel, Microsoft, Vizio, Acer, Lenovo, Nintendo, and Sony?

I'm genuinely asking. It's a tough pill to swallow to learn all our tech stuff we all enjoy is built on the backs of poor people on the other side of the planet.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by exabrial » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 8:14 PM UTC

* Apple is not a green company

* Apple is not a free speech advocate

* Apple builds their products with unethical labor

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by yamtaddle » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 8:14 PM UTC

jackmott42 wrote: post #45

mhoad wrote: post #9

I don’t ever want to hear again how Apple is some champion of privacy and ethics. I’ve lost count of how many scandals have come out of their relationship with China from the suicide nets to the repeated investigations showing their supply chain was riddled with slave labor that they would later campaign against protections that would prevent it. Now this. They are fucked as a company, I can’t get out of their ecosys…

Their ethics are terrible. You pay $1000 for a computer, and you are only allowed to install software on it that Apple says you are allowed to. You can only pay for software on their own store. Complete bullshit, and it makes me sad that so many here on HN and elsehwere, tech people who learned to program because their 8088 was completely open and free to let you actually create things and learn about computing, so m…

> You pay $1000 for a computer, and you are only allowed to install software on it that Apple says you are allowed to.

For i-devices, yeah, true.

> You can only pay for software on their own store.

As nice as exposing the App store to more market effects might be, the app store monopoly enables them to force other companies to be less shitty on the platform (or else abandon it—but it's lucrative, so most don't), so it's a feature to me. I'd rather some of the behaviors they ban were simply illegal everywhere, but until then I like having the option to live the libertarian dream of paying for a private regulatory agency (Apple, that is). Beats having no option of that sort.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by HardlyCurious » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 8:15 PM UTC

mhoad wrote: post #38

mikysco wrote: post #29

It's difficult to defend Apple in this scenario but Apple's relationship with China is just like every other company's (western or otherwise) - at the end of the day, China holds all the cards. If you don't bow to their authoritarian edict, you are kicked out of the country. The energy and anger should (as per usual) be directed at China and the Chinese communist party to a much greater degree than Apple. I'm assumin…

This is a breathtakingly naive take. Like yes sure, get mad at the CCP but Apple have a long history of shit like this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-u...

We need sanctions. You can't expect corporations to wage international campaigns for human rights, nor do we want that corporations to exercise such power.

We need govt action.