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Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says

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Post by neither_color »

dalbasal wrote: post #137

Polling my own bubble, I'm dubious about lab meat. Across the board, it seems that people want lab grown meat for others. Vegans want omnivores to eat it. Omnivores think it'd be good for vegans. Meanwhile, any mass market product is likely to be some sort of processed meat product. Sausage, mince chicken nugget or somesuch. These aren't generally premium products, so you need to go really low for price competitivene…

A lot of [well intentioned] arguments focus on lab grown meats as a "cheap" protein but I think if you want mass market adoption it should go in the other direction, like electric cars.

What if lab-grown meat can create flavor profiles that rival wagyu? What if protein and micronutrient ratios can be tweaked to give athletes an advantage over athletes that eat animal meat?

If we frame it as a "cheap sustainable alternative" some people will always scoff at it, but if instead it starts off as an exclusive delicacy the public will want it that much more.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dudeofea wrote: post #249
moffkalast wrote: post #234

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Analogy aside, just because the process has been evolutionarily optimized it doesn't mean it's the most efficient way of doing it. There's a lot of other evolutionary pressure where energy is expended in ways that don't benefit obtaining the arbitrary end product. Say synthetic wood as your example, I would be willing to bet that a dedicated system that extracts CO2 for the carbon and combines it with water to make c…

If it was evolutionarily optimized, it most likely is not the most efficient way of doing something but it most certainly is the most resilient way. Potato blight? soon to be available for: meat!

> it most likely is not the most efficient way of doing something but it most certainly is the most resilient way

For that purpose. Photosynthesis is horribly inefficient for any use other than making more plant.

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Post by Vt71fcAqt7 »

atoav wrote: post #219
matrix_overload wrote: post #58

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For context, the life of an average herbivore in the wild consists of living with no shelter in harsh weather while having to fear every sound. And it typically ends by being ripped to pieces by a predator and eaten alive while the brain still has some residual oxygen and awareness. The typical farmed animal experience where you are sheltered, vaccinated against common illnesses, provided food and slaughtered after b…

Scenario: Humanity is partly enslaved by a superior alien species that holds us as cattle, breeds us, kills most of our male offspring etc. — you know, the things we do to our cettle. Would you rather: A) live this life that can be ended for your meat at any point B) hide in the hostile and foreign wilderness of their planet Sure one might argue that cows are to stupid to understand their fate, but that alien species…

Is the fox "right" to eat the hare?

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Post by asdff »

xyclos wrote: post #192
i_am_proteus wrote: post #183

Maybe some folks will enjoy this as a food product. It's not clear to me that there's a real upside to this though, for folks who don't mind killing and eating birds. Research I have seen (you can see it too: [1]) indicates that chicken, dairy, and legumes are all about as low-impact as it gets when it comes to protein sources for humans. As other folks have mentioned, scaling up the meat lab causes a lot of headache…

eventually shifting public opinion, and growing the subsection of people who "mind killing" seems like a major upside.

Everything you eat requires killing. We are only weird about killing for meat because as conscious life we are biased towards conscious life. Meanwhile, we don't blink an eye if we take down an entire field of corn, or even take town an entire forest to grow that field of midwestern corn, because its unconcious life and not valued by our moral principles.

The secret is to just treat things with respect. You can be respectful of the animals you raise up, you can respect the land you sow. Unfortunately this world lacks a lot of that common respect towards life these days, but maybe this thinking will change in the future and we can live in a more balanced way.

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Post by phpisthebest »

abfan1127 wrote: post #277
Guest9081239812 wrote: post #243

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What about something like lab diamonds? You can give nature billions of years to "do it's thing" or we can produce the same result in a lab in a matter of weeks without any suffering and at a fraction of the cost. Synthetic processes can be quite efficient and it sounds like you're discarding them completely which is a little shortsighted.

I'd argue synthetic diamonds and synthetic "life" are pretty different. We also don't eat diamonds.

Creating Lab meat is in no way creating synthetic "life", it is more akin to synthetic diamonds than synthetic life

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Post by ncallaway »

JasserInicide wrote: post #260
LtWorf wrote: post #147

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> That's why it's safe to eat a rare steak The USA department of agriculture begs to differ. https://ask.usda.gov/s/article/Is-a-rare-steak-safe-to-eat Personally I never place much trust in random comments on the internet.

So if the USDA recommends this, what's the reasoning behind allowing restaurants to sell rare steaks?

Look at almost any menu in any restaurant that serves steak and you’ll find a little asterisk, and a note about the USDA’s recommendation at the bottom of the menu.

The USDA has not made it illegal or unlawful to cook steak rare. They recommend against it. A lot of people like rare steak, and will pay a restaurant to prepare a rare steak. So they do.

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Post by serverholic »

thisisauserid wrote: post #238
serverholic wrote: post #228

I'm a little worried about nutrition. I'm sure lab grown meat has plenty of protein but what about all the other micro-nutrients? I'm talking about the spectrum of compounds that inevitably find their way into the muscle tissue from real animals digesting real food.

Not to mention healthy fats. Protein is way over valued.

How do you figure that protein is over valued? In my experience most foods people eat are fairly low in protein.

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Post by [deleted] »

markstos wrote: post #221
kikokikokiko wrote: post #95

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"And hopefully it'll eventually be cheaper than growing animals too." Just as simply planting a tree and letting the sun provide the energy for it's growth will always beat those "synthetic trees" people like to hype from time to time, I can expect to never see a synthetic process that is more cost effective to create "meat" than simply letting nature do it's thing. Down here in Brazil you basically give the animals…

There down in Brazil, rainforest are being cut down at alarming rate in service to animal agriculture. It will be easier to preserve the Brazilian rainforests if there was some other way to grow meat that didn't involve huge grazing pastures for animals.

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Post by EL_Loco »

The many "Lab meat still has a long way to go" comments here haven't been following the space. Please check out wildtypefoods.com for an example of "lab" grown salmon that you can eat right now. There are other startups doing the same, google them up.

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Post by prometheus76 »

olddustytrail wrote: post #288
prometheus76 wrote: post #136

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Try injecting yourself with saltwater and see what happens. The osmotic effects won't just affect the undesired cells. It will also affect the desired cells.

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Depends on the salt content. If you try things you read in comment sections on the internet, maybe you shouldn't be on the internet.
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