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Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by thinkmcfly »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #23
debacle wrote: post #10

Hiring has slowed to a crawl, and the hardest hit appear to be junior/low level devs not going into the startup space. I'm seeing a lot of hiring for senior positions. I'm getting more, not fewer emails for interviews as a CTO. Meanwhile, it seems like unless a new grad is headed to a FAANG they are not finding jobs the way they were a year ago. This is how things started in 2007, anecdotally. The ladder got pulled u…

I made well over 100 applications last April - May; as a grad student close to their master's at a top EU University. I had more success from FAANG companies than startups. I eventually landed a very low paying job at a fintech startup but they had financial issues. Come mid july I found myself interviewing for a FAANG company, and today I passed probation period. The fact that I was good enough for a FAANG company,…

I've seen it said on HN say FAANG hiring is as much to keep other people from hiring you/to stop you from creating startups, as it is to have you do a work for them

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by cortesoft »

arcturus17 wrote: post #15
soneca wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that FAANG is not part of HN Who is hiring at all. It seems to be almost 100% small and medium tech startups.

I’ve occasionally seen a “my team at AirBnB is hiring” post but you’re probably right.

AirBnB is not a FAANG. It is medium size.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by erehweb »

Number of comments on this and previous posts that this data is not useful for one reason or another (HN is a small slice, maybe employers are changing behavior, want to normalize by site activity, ...). It's good to note possible problems with data, but we should be sure not to throw the baby out with the bathwater - this is a useful data set giving evidence that hiring is slowing in late 2022.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by myth_drannon »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #23
debacle wrote: post #10

Hiring has slowed to a crawl, and the hardest hit appear to be junior/low level devs not going into the startup space. I'm seeing a lot of hiring for senior positions. I'm getting more, not fewer emails for interviews as a CTO. Meanwhile, it seems like unless a new grad is headed to a FAANG they are not finding jobs the way they were a year ago. This is how things started in 2007, anecdotally. The ladder got pulled u…

I made well over 100 applications last April - May; as a grad student close to their master's at a top EU University. I had more success from FAANG companies than startups. I eventually landed a very low paying job at a fintech startup but they had financial issues. Come mid july I found myself interviewing for a FAANG company, and today I passed probation period. The fact that I was good enough for a FAANG company,…

FAANG have the resources to train juniors, startups like juniors a lot but usually don't have the resources to absorb employees who need hand holding.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by bfung »

bodge5000 wrote: post #20

As someone else pointed out, this is just HN, a small part of the bigger picture. Its interesting, but in all honesty, I'll believe it when I see it. For the past ~3 years I've heard talk that last year X was a boom but this year Y is declining, then the year after I hear that Y was a boom but this year is a decline, and on the cycle goes.

> just HN, a small part of the bigger picture.

Yep, totally, very small picture.

Personal experience, though, I was laid off in August 2022, first time in my 18+ year career. I found something else, but recently, many friends and ex-coworkers also were laid off from twitter, meta, and other techs.

Hence I finally had time on my hands to code this up while waiting on interviews and such.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by bfung »

ndr wrote: post #4

Nice addition of the S&P500 as market reference. Is there any easy way to correct for HN traffic? For example, is that what's driving the change in volume in 2016?

> Is there any easy way to correct for HN traffic?

Hmmm I have a couple ideas, but nothing simple w/o some longer scraping or being able to find HN traffic data elsewhere.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by randomdata »

anon50118810 wrote: post #30
randomdata wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> since employers are looking for luxury goods and offering to work for very cheap would send the wrong signal. I'm not sure that's the right perspective. It's true that offering Google a chance to hire you for minimum wage isn't going to win you a seat. But most potential employers aren't putting themselves in front of the market because they believe nobody out there will work for less than a healthy six figures (or…

I'm not sure what you're arguing exactly but the tech market of literally walking down the street and offering to help random businesses for $7.25 an hour is so far from HN hiring, or really any salaried tech hiring, that I'm not sure why you bring it up. Most tech employers who make job posts might be happy if you suggest a salary near the bottom of the range they've already decided for the position, but will absolu…

> I'm not sure what you're arguing exactly

I'm not arguing anything. There is nothing here to argue. Nor would I enter into an argument. I can think of nothing more boring.

> literally walking down the street and offering to help random businesses for $7.25 an hour is so far from HN hiring, or really any salaried tech hiring

Because the topic is price. Price exists specifically to guide allocation of scarce resources. The scarcer a resource, the higher the price, the more buyers pushed out of the market. Conversely, the more available the resource, the lower the price, the more buyers able to participate in the market. Just plain old supply and demand.

Like I said originally, things would have to change dramatically for things to end up where nobody would hire you even for minimum wage. Without some kind of fundamental shift, there is effectively no chance of developers not being able to find work. What is more realistic is someone not being able to find work at the price they'd like. If you're accustomed to making $200k per year, get laid off, and those hiring are only offering $120k that can be a hard pill to swallow. Many will hold out for a better offer. Eventually, though, hunger sets in and you may be forced to take the $120k job. If things are really bad, $120k might be more than you can hope for.

> I'm not sure why you bring it up

There was some confusion about the earlier comment and I found enjoyment in expanding upon it. Perhaps there still is confusion, but oh well.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by hawk_ »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #23
debacle wrote: post #10

Hiring has slowed to a crawl, and the hardest hit appear to be junior/low level devs not going into the startup space. I'm seeing a lot of hiring for senior positions. I'm getting more, not fewer emails for interviews as a CTO. Meanwhile, it seems like unless a new grad is headed to a FAANG they are not finding jobs the way they were a year ago. This is how things started in 2007, anecdotally. The ladder got pulled u…

I made well over 100 applications last April - May; as a grad student close to their master's at a top EU University. I had more success from FAANG companies than startups. I eventually landed a very low paying job at a fintech startup but they had financial issues. Come mid july I found myself interviewing for a FAANG company, and today I passed probation period. The fact that I was good enough for a FAANG company,…

Where did you look for jobs in the EU - as in which message boards/websites etc...?

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

myth_drannon wrote: post #34
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made well over 100 applications last April - May; as a grad student close to their master's at a top EU University. I had more success from FAANG companies than startups. I eventually landed a very low paying job at a fintech startup but they had financial issues. Come mid july I found myself interviewing for a FAANG company, and today I passed probation period. The fact that I was good enough for a FAANG company,…

FAANG have the resources to train juniors, startups like juniors a lot but usually don't have the resources to absorb employees who need hand holding.

I understand that, but even here I am not given any handholding, we discuss what needs to be done, if needed I write technical document, get feedback, and then implement.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

hawk_ wrote: post #38
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made well over 100 applications last April - May; as a grad student close to their master's at a top EU University. I had more success from FAANG companies than startups. I eventually landed a very low paying job at a fintech startup but they had financial issues. Come mid july I found myself interviewing for a FAANG company, and today I passed probation period. The fact that I was good enough for a FAANG company,…

Where did you look for jobs in the EU - as in which message boards/websites etc...?

LinkedIn and company websites mostly.
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