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How is crypto/blockchain %100 not beneficial if it makes Sci-Hub libgen funded?

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Re: How is crypto/blockchain %100 not beneficial if it makes Sci-Hub libgen funded?

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Post by seri4l »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #5

The "beneficial" property you're referring to is "can be easily used to fund criminal behavior", which is typically not a desirable feature in a payment system. Many people believe LibGen/Sci-Hub are good forms of breaking the law - but if that is the case the solution is "make the things they do legal" rather than "make it easier to send criminals money over the internet".

>The "beneficial" property you're referring to is "can be easily used to fund criminal behavior", which is typically not a desirable feature in a payment system.

It typically is. The alternative is a system where a central authority has absolute control over all monetary transactions, which is definitely not desirable.

Re: How is crypto/blockchain %100 not beneficial if it makes Sci-Hub libgen funded?

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Post by joemazerino »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #5

The "beneficial" property you're referring to is "can be easily used to fund criminal behavior", which is typically not a desirable feature in a payment system. Many people believe LibGen/Sci-Hub are good forms of breaking the law - but if that is the case the solution is "make the things they do legal" rather than "make it easier to send criminals money over the internet".

Criminals have never had issues sending or receiving money over the internet. This excuse is just a smokescreen.

Re: How is crypto/blockchain %100 not beneficial if it makes Sci-Hub libgen funded?

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Post by simple-thoughts »

People have been taught since childhood in state funded schools who to obey and listen to. Of course they are not going to support basic freedoms if those freedoms are in conflict with their master’s desires. That’s not to say crypto has lived up to its promise as the state and its owners have proven far more adaptable than cypherpunk thinkers expected.

Re: How is crypto/blockchain %100 not beneficial if it makes Sci-Hub libgen funded?

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Post by nh23423fefe »

SkyBelow wrote: post #7
cmeacham98 wrote: post #5

The "beneficial" property you're referring to is "can be easily used to fund criminal behavior", which is typically not a desirable feature in a payment system. Many people believe LibGen/Sci-Hub are good forms of breaking the law - but if that is the case the solution is "make the things they do legal" rather than "make it easier to send criminals money over the internet".

>which is typically not a desirable feature in a payment system. I think it would be desirable. Some people will get into specifics of which laws they like to break and which laws they want enforced, but my experience has been most people like the ability for some laws to be broken and it is a good thing in regards to some laws being unjust. It is hard to get a standard because we would basically be asking which laws…

This is incoherent. Some laws are unjust so I can choose what laws I want to follow and that's good because .... (implication that breaking laws causes them to become more just as opposed to more enforceable)

Re: How is crypto/blockchain %100 not beneficial if it makes Sci-Hub libgen funded?

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Post by savingsPossible »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #5

The "beneficial" property you're referring to is "can be easily used to fund criminal behavior", which is typically not a desirable feature in a payment system. Many people believe LibGen/Sci-Hub are good forms of breaking the law - but if that is the case the solution is "make the things they do legal" rather than "make it easier to send criminals money over the internet".

Not the solution, a solution. Another seems to be bitcoin

The state's legitimacy is questionable. Who wants papers to have a copyright of 70+ years? Certainly less than 10% of the stakeholder population. And still they do.

Who wants movies to have 70+ years in copyright?

A state that does that might be too compromised. Not immediately amenable to reform. So illegal but moral actions sometimes can (and should) be taken.

Re: How is crypto/blockchain %100 not beneficial if it makes Sci-Hub libgen funded?

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Post by lupire »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #5

The "beneficial" property you're referring to is "can be easily used to fund criminal behavior", which is typically not a desirable feature in a payment system. Many people believe LibGen/Sci-Hub are good forms of breaking the law - but if that is the case the solution is "make the things they do legal" rather than "make it easier to send criminals money over the internet".

A government is just a group of people. They aren't your parents. Sometimes they are right and sometimes wrong. Why do they deserve a privileged position above all other groups of people?

Re: How is crypto/blockchain %100 not beneficial if it makes Sci-Hub libgen funded?

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Post by nonameiguess »

I don't think you're wrong. Purchasing things that are illegal but probably shouldn't be, such as anabolic steroids, modafinil, sci-hub, within-family remittances to economically-sanctioned countries, is a benefit. It's just that if that's the only thing we can come up with, it's hard to make that the basis of widespread adoption and law enforcement and legislatures all over the world are going to try and stop you.

Also, if the speculation use case disappears and illegal transactions is really the only thing left, then buying or owning crypto at all is going to put you under suspicion automatically, which reduces the usefulness.

Re: How is crypto/blockchain %100 not beneficial if it makes Sci-Hub libgen funded?

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Post by cmeacham98 »

savingsPossible wrote: post #15
cmeacham98 wrote: post #5

The "beneficial" property you're referring to is "can be easily used to fund criminal behavior", which is typically not a desirable feature in a payment system. Many people believe LibGen/Sci-Hub are good forms of breaking the law - but if that is the case the solution is "make the things they do legal" rather than "make it easier to send criminals money over the internet".

Not the solution, a solution. Another seems to be bitcoin The state's legitimacy is questionable. Who wants papers to have a copyright of 70+ years? Certainly less than 10% of the stakeholder population. And still they do. Who wants movies to have 70+ years in copyright? A state that does that might be too compromised. Not immediately amenable to reform. So illegal but moral actions sometimes can (and should) be take…

> The state's legitimacy is questionable. Who wants papers to have a copyright of 70+ years? Certainly less than 10% of the stakeholder population. And still they do.

Maybe you live in a dictatorship, and I'm sorry if you do, but the majority of the world lives in democracies. The reality is that you're either wrong, or people just don't care enough about this issue to vote based on it.

There are entire political parties built around this issue (look up "pirate party") and they don't get a lot of votes.

Re: How is crypto/blockchain %100 not beneficial if it makes Sci-Hub libgen funded?

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Post by [deleted] »

seri4l wrote: post #11
cmeacham98 wrote: post #5

The "beneficial" property you're referring to is "can be easily used to fund criminal behavior", which is typically not a desirable feature in a payment system. Many people believe LibGen/Sci-Hub are good forms of breaking the law - but if that is the case the solution is "make the things they do legal" rather than "make it easier to send criminals money over the internet".

>The "beneficial" property you're referring to is "can be easily used to fund criminal behavior", which is typically not a desirable feature in a payment system. It typically is. The alternative is a system where a central authority has absolute control over all monetary transactions, which is definitely not desirable.

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