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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by benjaminwootton »

exitb wrote: post #26
xwolfi wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two forces colliding here in China. On one hand people are absolutely fed up with barriers everywhere, nose tests, mandatory masks and being locked down at home. On the other hand, 3 years of constant propaganda made them utterly terrified of Covid: if restriction stop tmr, they will crash the economy by doing nothing at all anymore for fear of getting the virus. It s easy for you to say it s not apocalypti…

So ultimately, the Chinese people are at fault, because they actually demand restrictions? But other Chinese people demand the opposite? Are they like a vocal minority? The situation is very confusing looking from the outside. Couldn't the scared ones be shown that viruses tend to get more contagious and less dangerous over time?

Maybe it’s similar to the west. The majority of people were happy with the restrictions whilst a vocal minority was against them.

Over time more and more people join the vocal minority.

Having been a part of the vocal minority myself, I feel deeply sorry for the Chinese people who see through it and want it to end. I literally could not continue living like that for 3 years.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by disantlor »

rjzzleep wrote: post #121
thinkingemote wrote: post #73

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do we know what the Party line is about this? Do they, for example, blame western propaganda, involvement etc?

We don't really know much at all. Comment from CNBC: "It was not immediately clear whether the protests reached a meaningful scale in a country of 1.4 billion people, or whether a wide demographic participated" I've seen pro government social media commentators say that the second half of the Foxconn worker statement was not reported by western media, but I won't pretend I know one way or the other. Given that just y…

So you saw one comment about the situation in China, spoke to a Japanese man about an unrelated topic, and now have an opinion on East Asians?

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by philliphaydon »

thinkingemote wrote: post #73
Geee wrote: post #11

It would show that people in other countries are allowed to gather in sports events. There are currently large protests going on against covid measures, and for freedom in general. This account reports these events from China: https://twitter.com/vivianwubeijing/status/15969485319184302...

do we know what the Party line is about this? Do they, for example, blame western propaganda, involvement etc?

Everything get's blamed on the west. I was just reading on facebook about the lockdowns and even the replies are blaming the US for covid and so its the US fault that China has lockdowns.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by DriftRegion »

DriftRegion wrote: post #143

Yeah. When people in mainland China saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation. I'll summarize the ideas I've seen floating around the Chinese internet: - It's a money-making scam by the COVID test manufacturers - It's a money-making scam by the temporary quarantine center manufacturers - It's a failure of bureaucracy ”层层加码” - It's a ploy to increase the depth of state surveillance…

Here's a recent commentary from a WeChat group (translated via deepl):

> The current situation is that Western water forces, through insidious and poisonous means such as the Internet, have created a very dangerous atmosphere of public opinion and incited the people to rebellion. If we are deceived and held hostage by these rumors, what China will end up with will only be a disaster. We have to believe that the country, more than anyone else, wants an early end to the epidemic, and more than anyone else, wants an early end to this costly and socially expensive epidemic prevention activity, so that society can return to normal and the economy can recover as soon as possible. We believe that the Party and the government will be able to lead the people of China to work together to overcome the epidemic! China will win! [fist][fist][fist]

> 当前形势是西方水军通过网络等阴险毒辣的方式，已经营造了一个非常危险的舆论氛围，煽动民众叛乱，如果我们被这些流言所蒙骗和裹挟，最后中国迎来的只会是灾难。我们要相信，国家比任何人都希望疫情早日结束，也比任何人都希望早日结束这种耗资巨大、社会成本巨大的防疫活动，让社会恢复正常，经济早日复苏。相信党和政府，定能领导全国人民，同心协力，战胜疫情！中国必胜！[拳头][拳头][拳头]

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by philliphaydon »

rippercushions wrote: post #140
slig wrote: post #87

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They also have "only" 30k official deaths.

We can probably add a zero to that number, but it's quite clear that unlike literally every other big country in the world, China has not gone through a major wave of nationwide infection that would lead to considerable fatalities... yet.

That we know about... Remember, information is suppressed.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by philliphaydon »

rippercushions wrote: post #50
yreg wrote: post #23

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The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

China has a 87% COVID vaccination rate, which is higher than the US (79%). However, the Chinese-made vaccines are not very effective, and many of the unvaccinated are elderly. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279024/china-coronaviru... vaccination-rate/

Their vaccination has been a failure. And their mRNA is not due till next year. Even tho they bought western vaccines for the high ranking CCP officals. They refuse to buy/allow their citizens to use non-chinese vaccines.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by [deleted] »

mattmanser wrote: post #82
matt123456789 wrote: post #59

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If the virus originated in a lab, then it is very likely that the CCP knows a lot about its behavior. The grandparent comment is implying that the CCP is acting based on something they know that they haven’t shared with the rest of the world.

Or far more likely are the reasons listed below. Sad to see these conspiracy theories voted higher than the more plausible scientific explanation below.

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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by DaedPsyker »

aperson_hello wrote: post #65
bananapear wrote: post #21

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Might not be 100% accurate but the BBC are reporting that it is due to the lack of mask wearing

I suspect it's lazy reporting on the BBC's part. Mask-wearing has been the trigger point for so long in the west that's it's the default explanation. Whereas in China, the trigger point is still assembly (which is where the west was 2 years ago). What Chinese leadership knows is that masks are nigh-on worthless for Omicron (I've seen numbers as low as 30% efficacy for N95 and basically no efficacy for cloth and surgi…

Why would they be cutting the up-close footage of people in the crowds not wearing masks if it was just about assembly?

You can still see that crowds are not being spaced out from normal angles of the match, they would still know that restrictions aren't in place for those abroad.

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Post by c-fe »

andsoitis wrote: post #127
laputan_machine wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- The CCP have been routinely supressing any hypothesis on COVID-19 being a lab-borne virus. - The CCP have been stoic on their approach to zero-COVID - IF the virus was lab-borne, and IF the CCP know it was, is it not (very, very remotely) possible they know more about the consequences of this virus? That line of reasoning is pretty conspiratorial, but given that the CCP have been incredibly cagey about the whole af…

> know more about the consequences of this virus Than all the other medical and scientific communities in the rest of the world?

the developers of a software know more about its behaviour than all users/hackers in the world
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