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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by rjzzleep »

thinkingemote wrote: post #73
Geee wrote: post #11

It would show that people in other countries are allowed to gather in sports events. There are currently large protests going on against covid measures, and for freedom in general. This account reports these events from China: https://twitter.com/vivianwubeijing/status/15969485319184302...

do we know what the Party line is about this? Do they, for example, blame western propaganda, involvement etc?

We don't really know much at all. Comment from CNBC:

"It was not immediately clear whether the protests reached a meaningful scale in a country of 1.4 billion people, or whether a wide demographic participated"

I've seen pro government social media commentators say that the second half of the Foxconn worker statement was not reported by western media, but I won't pretend I know one way or the other.

Given that just yesterday a Japanese person tried to lecture me about how snorkels might have been banned in swimming pools because someone probably died and that they are probably dangerous, I'd say east Asians anxiety level is different from ours.

EDIT: funny to see people to get so upset. But anyone who has spent Covid in east Asia knows that they have had an extremely different approach to the Europeans all over the board and that in a lot of countries over there people are still deeply fearful of Covid. And while Taiwan has been bashing China's approach they still wear their masks everywhere and still have a somewhat lax but existent quarantine procedure.

You cannot have a serious conversation about a topic based on the information provided solely from one side no matter how much you distrust the other.

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Post by davzie »

edejong wrote: post #44
hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

* Mild Covid is linked to brain damage months after [1][2] * Here is a collection of threads describing all the possible negative influences COVID has on the cardiovascular system, the brain, kidneys and the autoimmune system. https://twitter.com/laurieallee/status/1521178772023652352 [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/long-covid-even-m... [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04569-5

Is this the article that says brain damage but simply means the nerves in your nose (aka brain) can sometimes be damaged for sometime but later heal? If so that article is the one that made me completely switch my feelings on the news. I refuse to believe any of it anymore. Built to scare.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by wikfwikf »

kibwen wrote: post #40
Markoff wrote: post #13

I find much more interesting how Twitter is now flooded with accounts which are suddenly posting NSFW escort tweets containing Chinese city names in Chinese characters and one account is able to post 3000 tweets in 24 hours to flood search results with nonsense. https://twitter.com/dong_mengyu/status/1596749168462401536

No surprise, the new CEO fired the team responsible for detecting and taking down bot accounts. Previously these teams were taking down 500,000 bot accounts every day, which suggests that Twitter might be accumulating 3.5M bot accounts every week.

That seems like an over-estimate. Presumably if you stop taking bots down, they do not re-appear as fast?

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by [deleted] »

Markoff wrote: post #79
Geee wrote: post #11

It would show that people in other countries are allowed to gather in sports events. There are currently large protests going on against covid measures, and for freedom in general. This account reports these events from China: https://twitter.com/vivianwubeijing/status/15969485319184302...

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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by saint_fiasco »

gus_massa wrote: post #56
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China already has several highly effective vaccines. The problem is that a significant fraction of elderly people don't want to get vaccinated. Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore had the exact same problem with vaccine hesitancy among the elderly. It's a cultural thing.

That's strange. My father was a voluntary in the polio vaccination in Argentina in ¿1956?. My mother also remember that epidemic. I guess old people here is one of the more conscious groups about how important are the vaccines.

A regular person in Argentina around 1956 doesn't have many reasons to distrust the authorities. But if you are an old person in China, would you really believe that this one time the government really does have your best interests in mind?

They lived through the cultural revolution, the famines, the civil war and so on. Maybe they figure they'd rather take their chances with covid.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by edejong »

ngcc_hk wrote: post #108
edejong wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Mild Covid is linked to brain damage months after [1][2] * Here is a collection of threads describing all the possible negative influences COVID has on the cardiovascular system, the brain, kidneys and the autoimmune system. https://twitter.com/laurieallee/status/1521178772023652352 [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/long-covid-even-m... [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04569-5

Whatever the issue, it is goner and only viable policy is Co-existence. Not initially but now I’d different. hence no point of zero policy. Emperor has no cloth.

Zero policy is also co-existence. The choice is not binary, but a sliding scale based on a risk assessment.

Now it is known that reinfections incurs additional risk for long term disability, it makes sense to take measures to reduce the risk of infection.

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Post by andsoitis »

laputan_machine wrote: post #52
andybak wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I understand. How does "lab-leak vs non-lab-leak" relate to this?

- The CCP have been routinely supressing any hypothesis on COVID-19 being a lab-borne virus. - The CCP have been stoic on their approach to zero-COVID - IF the virus was lab-borne, and IF the CCP know it was, is it not (very, very remotely) possible they know more about the consequences of this virus? That line of reasoning is pretty conspiratorial, but given that the CCP have been incredibly cagey about the whole af…

> know more about the consequences of this virus

Than all the other medical and scientific communities in the rest of the world?

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Post by nashalo »

stuaxo wrote: post #95
hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

They know it affects the immune system. They expect repeated exposures to mean the west is weakened with lots of people unable to participate in the economy, while their population won't have that issue.

It seems unlikely that "weakening the west with lots of people unable to participate in the economy" is the goal here, since the zero-covid policy also does exactly that, both short term and long term by weakening the economy and mental health of residents.

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Post by gnfargbl »

Sol- wrote: post #72

A common story you hear is that Chinese vaccines are less effective and that they also do not want to rely on Western vaccines in turn. What I don't quite understand is why they couldn't just create some joint venture with a Western pharma company and then supply a rebranded version of the mRNA vaccines to their population. I would think they have the propaganda tools at hand to make such a move palatable even to the…

> What I don't quite understand is why they couldn't just create some joint venture with a Western pharma company and then supply a rebranded version of the mRNA vaccines to their population.

I get the impression that Western companies have become a bit wary of those "joint ventures," following incidents like the ARM / Softbank / ARM China saga.

Moderna specifically refused to share their mRNA IP with China: https://archive.ph/hxWuT

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Post by jtc331 »

pjc50 wrote: post #91
Silverback_VII wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> the vax has rendered herd immunity impossible. This doesn't make any sense; the vaccine confers immunity.

There is a potential paradox here because of original antigenic sin (from the paper name): basically the vaccines only present one antigen whereas in natural infection there are multiple antigens. Once the immune system learns one it generally doesn’t learn more on the next exposure (actual infection). Combine that with the antigen presented by the vaccine (spike protein) being the more frequently mutating antigen and you can have a scenario exactly like the GP describes.
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