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Post by Altho00 »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #36
bananapear wrote: post #24

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They also provided the genetic sequencing used to create the mRNA vaccines and then… didn’t use them.

It’s not clear to me why China wouldn’t just get Pfizer and/or Moderna to sell white label versions of their vaccines to at least vaccinate the older population in China. And if not the US vaccines then the Oxford vaccine, which is being sold without a profit even in the West and is far superior to the Chinese equivalent, would be a cheaper option. A big driver of the problem however is that a regime built on control…

It's probably about saving face. There is no way they would buy western vaccines because that would be admitting theirs don't work as good.

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Post by sidibe »

kibwen wrote: post #40
Markoff wrote: post #13

I find much more interesting how Twitter is now flooded with accounts which are suddenly posting NSFW escort tweets containing Chinese city names in Chinese characters and one account is able to post 3000 tweets in 24 hours to flood search results with nonsense. https://twitter.com/dong_mengyu/status/1596749168462401536

No surprise, the new CEO fired the team responsible for detecting and taking down bot accounts. Previously these teams were taking down 500,000 bot accounts every day, which suggests that Twitter might be accumulating 3.5M bot accounts every week.

I'm sure something of the sort would have happened without him. But he's not the type to do anything in response to this or confront CCP with the regular praise he heaps on them. He even said Taiwan should be part of China like HK.

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Post by camdenreslink »

stuaxo wrote: post #95
hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

They know it affects the immune system. They expect repeated exposures to mean the west is weakened with lots of people unable to participate in the economy, while their population won't have that issue.

Seems like a bad bet to me, and I’m the most cautious pro-vaccine, pro-mask person there is.

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Post by himinlomax »

GameOfFrowns wrote: post #101
agumonkey wrote: post #46

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I'm stumped they didn't consider buying other vaccines. Maybe they don't want to be reliant on the west. They're indeed doing a mistake keep the lock strategy...

You'd think that with China's cavalier attitude towards intellectual property and trade secrets they would just copy one of the more effective mRNA vaccines and distribute it under the current Sinovax label.

There's probably a lot of know how in the form of trade secrets on top of patents. And in any case, merely copying what's in the patents does not help you as far as certifications are concerned, it's almost impossible to get the exact same end product, and who knows how that turns out once injected.

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Post by hutzlibu »

chii wrote: post #109
GameOfFrowns wrote: post #101

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You'd think that with China's cavalier attitude towards intellectual property and trade secrets they would just copy one of the more effective mRNA vaccines and distribute it under the current Sinovax label.

i do wonder how easy/hard it really is to reverse engineer a vaccine - and if it went wrong, some heads will roll. It's not like software piracy, where a perfect copy could be made.

I think the "code" of the vaccines is pretty much open. It is the production line, that is complicated and hard to set up, if you want to achieve some quality vaccines.

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Post by saint_fiasco »

agumonkey wrote: post #46
yreg wrote: post #23

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The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

I'm stumped they didn't consider buying other vaccines. Maybe they don't want to be reliant on the west. They're indeed doing a mistake keep the lock strategy...

They have enough vaccines, they just can't persuade their vulnerable population to take it. Old people in particular don't trust modern medicine and don't trust the government.

You know how some old people believe all sorts of conspiracy theories about the government? Because their government was actually evil during their lifetime, it becomes much harder for them to believe that this one time the government really does want to give them medicine for their own good.

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Post by GameOfFrowns »

chii wrote: post #109
GameOfFrowns wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd think that with China's cavalier attitude towards intellectual property and trade secrets they would just copy one of the more effective mRNA vaccines and distribute it under the current Sinovax label.

i do wonder how easy/hard it really is to reverse engineer a vaccine - and if it went wrong, some heads will roll. It's not like software piracy, where a perfect copy could be made.

>i do wonder how easy/hard it really is to reverse engineer a vaccine

I think it's easier to gain this information via hacking and data theft or paying insiders for documents than actually reversing the vaccine.

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Post by paul_f »

mschuster91 wrote: post #49
i67vw3 wrote: post #22

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Even without vaccines, the current covid strain is not even that harmful. If they had done complete lockdown during 1st wave or during Delta wave it was one thing (which they already did at that time and majority of world). But after 2 years it is something else. There literally is a world cup happening half around the world, with maskless people and stadiums filled to the brim. I have read online they are doing this…

> Even without vaccines, the current covid strain is not even that harmful. Among the unvaccinated (of which there still exist a shocking amount), it absolutely is harmful. Even amongst the triple or quadruple vaccinated, it can be dangerous. My s/o's sense of smell was impacted for months, we were out of work for two weeks - but a friend of ours for six months and she's still not at the performance mentally that she…

This is nonsense. Omicron is quite mild compared to the original strain. Death rates from COVID in western countries is now minimal. Time to move on

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Post by SailingSperm »

pjc50 wrote: post #91
Silverback_VII wrote: post #77

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> the vax has rendered herd immunity impossible. This doesn't make any sense; the vaccine confers immunity.

They may be talking about immunological imprinting[1] - Something possibly resulting in a less than optimal immune response - from the initial vaccine creating highly specific antigens, thus not as comprehensive as an initial natural infection might give to prime the immune system against the virus and its variants. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Original_antigenic_sin

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

puppymaster wrote: post #45
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #20

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China already has several highly effective vaccines. The problem is that a significant fraction of elderly people don't want to get vaccinated. Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore had the exact same problem with vaccine hesitancy among the elderly. It's a cultural thing.

Not Taiwan. 78% of >75 years old has second shot. 70% has 3rd shot. Source: https://covid-19.nchc.org.tw/dt_002-csse_covid_19_daily_repo...

Taiwan has had the same struggle as mainland China, when it comes to vaccinating old people.

First of all, mainland China's numbers are similar to those of Taiwan. As of March 2022, 82% of people aged 70-79 in China had two shots, while 51% of people aged 80 and up had two shots.[0] These numbers have probably come up a bit since then.

Second of all, Taiwan has a similar curve of vaccination rate vs. age. In Europe and the US, vaccination rate generally rises with age. In mainland China, Taiwan and Hong Kong, it's the opposite, and quite dramatically so.

0. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1306112/china-elderly-po...

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