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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by chrisbaker98 »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #38
yreg wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then the option would be to make the vaccination mandatory. CCP doesn't like to do unpopular things, but the lockdowns are not popular either.

China also requires everyone to have an app which gives you a color coded status based on the results of COVID tests taken by you and by those in your family and neighborhood, which defines what activities you’re allowed to engage in and what areas you’re allowed to access. Basing that off vaccination status would be far more palatable and would be far less disruptive.

And to the surprise of no-one, this system has also been used to control the movements of political dissenters for reasons that have nothing to do with COVID:

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-bank-protest-stopp...

Anyone who doesn't think that western vaxpass systems could be coopted for similar ends is horrifyingly naive.

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Post by Sol- »

A common story you hear is that Chinese vaccines are less effective and that they also do not want to rely on Western vaccines in turn.

What I don't quite understand is why they couldn't just create some joint venture with a Western pharma company and then supply a rebranded version of the mRNA vaccines to their population. I would think they have the propaganda tools at hand to make such a move palatable even to the more nationalist citizenry? Surely this would be preferable to the costly shutdowns.

Probably I'm also unaware of the constraints the Chinese leadership is operating under. I tend to think they have the power to make anything happen with their unlimited propaganda and censorship tools, but perhaps that is not the case and selling a foreign vaccine domestically is harder than I thought.

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Post by thinkingemote »

Geee wrote: post #11

It would show that people in other countries are allowed to gather in sports events. There are currently large protests going on against covid measures, and for freedom in general. This account reports these events from China: https://twitter.com/vivianwubeijing/status/15969485319184302...

do we know what the Party line is about this? Do they, for example, blame western propaganda, involvement etc?

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

rippercushions wrote: post #50
yreg wrote: post #23

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The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

China has a 87% COVID vaccination rate, which is higher than the US (79%). However, the Chinese-made vaccines are not very effective, and many of the unvaccinated are elderly. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279024/china-coronaviru... vaccination-rate/

But 50% of those over 80 are not vaccinated. [0] So the US is doing better among those that are most vulnerable. [1]

[0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-18/only-half... [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/11/11/stunnin...

Sorry about the low quality source links. I'll try harder to find CDC links in the future.

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Post by jahnu »

kevingadd wrote: post #66
yreg wrote: post #62

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Not just that, how many people in US already had covid and how many did in China?

You can get it more than once, though.

It's even worse than that; hazard ratio increases significantly with each re-infection

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3

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Post by Fragoel2 »

thinkingemote wrote: post #73
Geee wrote: post #11

It would show that people in other countries are allowed to gather in sports events. There are currently large protests going on against covid measures, and for freedom in general. This account reports these events from China: https://twitter.com/vivianwubeijing/status/15969485319184302...

do we know what the Party line is about this? Do they, for example, blame western propaganda, involvement etc?

A whole lot of covid outbreaks in China have been blamed on "contaminated goods" coming from abroad

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Post by Markoff »

Geee wrote: post #11

It would show that people in other countries are allowed to gather in sports events. There are currently large protests going on against covid measures, and for freedom in general. This account reports these events from China: https://twitter.com/vivianwubeijing/status/15969485319184302...

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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

andybak wrote: post #47
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #42

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China did eradicate CoVID for long stretches of time. From about April 2020 - April 2022, there were only isolated outbreaks, caused by imported cases, which were quickly contained. The vast majority of people in China could live relatively normally, as long as they didn't have to travel internationally. Most people didn't experience any lockdowns during this period. A couple of things have happened that have made th…

My understanding is that the additional piece of the jigsaw is the refusal to import more effective vaccines as it would reflect poorly on Sinovax and the prounouncements around it. No idea how significant this aspect is but I thought it was worth mentioning for completelness.

The vaccines in use in China are already highly effective. The best data on this comes from Hong Kong, which uses both Pfizer/Biontech and Sinovac. Three doses of either vaccine is roughly equally effective at preventing death.

The problem isn't what vaccines they're using. The problem is that many old people don't want to get vaccinated, period.

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