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Re: FreeTube – A Private YouTube Client

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Apps now require to report what they collect and what tracking they are using. This information is available on app store page of the app.

I see that in the app privacy report, but it doesn’t ask for location permission. Not really sure what to think. Perhaps it’s just tracking/logging your IP’s geo location and that alone is enough to require disclosure?

It just tracks country/city info for internal stats based on IP address. Nothing more granular. Source: built it

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People here talking about how they don't want YouTube to make a profile of their preferences, and here I am, wishing YouTube had a better profile of my preferences. Lately, there is almost no new videos in my recommendation feed. It's mostly either the things I've already watched or new videos from the channels I'm already subscribed to. It really feels like I've exhausted the internet at some point. This can't possi…

Consider the possibility that the data isn’t the issue, and that YouTube is designed that way on purpose because that is what generates the most traffic.

Of course the argument can be made that they have the data and aren’t using it properly, but that’s not the simplest possible explanation.

The simplest is that they have the data, it’s working perfectly, and showing what people are familiar with is what generates the highest engagement, at the expense of new material.

I find 2022 YouTube profoundly boring for the same reasons you do and their recent excess of advertising is atrocious. Instead of producing something valuable enough to subscribe to in the form of product innovation, the genius MBAs at Google have decided that annoying people to death with insane cable-television-style advertising is the value driver to bank the future brand of the company on. Seems like maybe the team that was responsible for the smash hits like Google Wave and the destruction of Reader have found new positions in the company, except this time they’re joined by a 30 year television advertising veteran who really gets the internet. But I digress…

But it also seems to me that both behaviors aren’t based on bad decisions, but more likely on the viewing habits of the majority and that’s what the algo has learned. It’s an interesting concept, even if a little dark and sad.

I do hope I’m wrong and they’re just bad at dealing with data to make recommendations, but it seems the less likely scenario since Google has had virtually unlimited resources and these are the specialized type data problems they are most adept at.

Re: FreeTube – A Private YouTube Client

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I think you might not be understanding the context of the argument. Google has tons of information on you - way more than it needs, and yet it still doesn’t get recommendations as good as we expect (as you rightly point out). So the issue is that it has tons of extra data than they need because it * doesn’t make their recommendation any better.* Gathering data for the sake of gathering data in todays world of informa…

> Google has tons of information on you Do you have any good sources about this? what do we know for sure Google know and track about us? I work for Google now, but speak for myself here. In my time here (not much, less than a year still) I've seen a huge focus on privacy and not storing user data. Then again, I don't work on ads. However, even before working at Google I was surprised that given my liberal sharing of…

That they are not able to target you and others with ads worries me. I'm asking myself what are they doing with all this data they gather on people?

Regarding your point working at google, I don't think the entirety of google is evil. There have to be good people somewhere. But some parts are just evil.

Re: FreeTube – A Private YouTube Client

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The goal of the YouTube algorithm is not to give you great videos but keep you mildly entertained for long periods of time. In my experience the 'suggested videos' next to the video you're watching is more than good enough to get recs. I use newpipe and put all the videos I like in a playlist. So everytime I want new videos I just scroll through the list, click on a video and just try something from suggested videos.

Being shown great videos that are relevant to you is correlated with increased time on the platform and satisfaction which are some of the metrics YouTube cares about. >the 'suggested videos' next to the video you're watching is more than good enough to get recs. Which is also an algorithmic feed which optimizes for the same metrics as the home page.

Let’s say you’ve got a tire you can’t seat on a wheel. Which of these is the YouTube algorithm going to optimize for:

1) a 60 second video showing how to use wd-40 and a lighter to set the bead, or

2) a 7 minute showing how beads can be broken, things you might try, an ad, some bad ideas, a funny guy yelling, another ad, and then how to set a bead with flame

Increased time on the platform is a proxy for more ads shown. YouTube optimizes for maximizing ads, not minimizing time on the platform with short, clear, informative content.

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Some of the developers are so unbelievably selfish and borderline communist. I'm reading comments about installing SponsorBlock along with this FreeTube thingy. I don't understand why are some of you so anti-business here. Do you all work for free?

Patreon exists to solve that problem.

Re: FreeTube – A Private YouTube Client

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People here talking about how they don't want YouTube to make a profile of their preferences, and here I am, wishing YouTube had a better profile of my preferences. Lately, there is almost no new videos in my recommendation feed. It's mostly either the things I've already watched or new videos from the channels I'm already subscribed to. It really feels like I've exhausted the internet at some point. This can't possi…

It's funny. Roll back the time to about 2-3 years ago, YouTube's recommendation algorithm was terribly good. It's the only reason I still kept my YouTube account but every time I visit YT I feel less of a need to keep the account now.

Re: FreeTube – A Private YouTube Client

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How is this any different than running youtube in a Firefox container? I feel like it's a lot of reinventing the wheel if you have to do things like Sponsorblock, Adblock, etc. all over again instead of just relying on your current browser setup.

Apps minimize distraction. Plus you can now install it on devices that don't support browser use cases e.g Android TV etc.

Re: FreeTube – A Private YouTube Client

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I think as developers we have to be careful that we don't overstep logical boundaries. Youtube provides a free service that hosts immense volumes of video and creates an ecosystem allowing creators to earn a living. It's selfish to use the services of YouTube while removing their main source of revenue. If you have a problem with YouTube's tracking, simply don't use it

YouTube provides many ways to access its content and clients such as this one utilize some of the lesser used methods to access the videos. But after all, YouTube allows this to happen and they are probably well aware of how their API is used. My guess is that people using alternative clients are a drop in the ocean and their impact on ads is completely negligible. You'll know this is no longer the case when YouTube cracks down on alternative clients.
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