Statistical process control after W. Edwards Deming
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Re: Statistical process control after W. Edwards Deming
#2This is a cool write up, I think since his death people did not carry the legacy, and when I look at ai and machine learning it feels like the opposite of SPC.
There's a podcast I listen to by the Deming institute, the presenters talk about his legacy and work and rarely about new applications or techniques. Feels like the world of data driven management is heading in the wrong direction.
Re: Statistical process control after W. Edwards Deming
#3This is a cool write up, I think since his death people did not carry the legacy, and when I look at ai and machine learning it feels like the opposite of SPC. There's a podcast I listen to by the Deming institute, the presenters talk about his legacy and work and rarely about new applications or techniques. Feels like the world of data driven management is heading in the wrong direction.
Definitely! Shewhart and Deming are massively under-rated and I agree
that today's measurement-obsessive culture is heading "Into the
Crisis" not out of it.
Every once in a while I read the 14 points , almost like a religious text to ask myself if I really do any of this, or have slipped "into sin". :)
Re: Statistical process control after W. Edwards Deming
#4I've used Deming's ideas to optimize ads and it did work way better than bayesian ab testing or ML-based approaches. However, management did not like that I was using something so old, so I had to rebrand it, but it was Deming still.
Re: Statistical process control after W. Edwards Deming
#5I've used Deming's ideas to optimize ads and it did work way better than bayesian ab testing or ML-based approaches. However, management did not like that I was using something so old, so I had to rebrand it, but it was Deming still.
I find it extremely weird that "data science" as practiced in industry hasn't embraced statistical process control and operations research.
Re: Statistical process control after W. Edwards Deming
#6I used SPC charts at work for analyzing ton (1000+) of different computer generated jobs that had to run daily. The SW was always under modification and the charts helped to catch the errors and Pareto charts helped drive home people needed to fix their stuff. I have to agree w one of the posters: “ However, management did not like that I was using something so old” and this was always a struggle.
Re: Statistical process control after W. Edwards Deming
#7I've used Deming's ideas to optimize ads and it did work way better than bayesian ab testing or ML-based approaches. However, management did not like that I was using something so old, so I had to rebrand it, but it was Deming still.
I find it extremely weird that "data science" as practiced in industry hasn't embraced statistical process control and operations research.
Some areas have. The whole DS field is a bit of a minefield, mostly due to a "newer is better" view of the world stemming heavily reliance on bootcamps/eschewing fundamentals.
May cooler heads prevail.
Re: Statistical process control after W. Edwards Deming
#8I've used Deming's ideas to optimize ads and it did work way better than bayesian ab testing or ML-based approaches. However, management did not like that I was using something so old, so I had to rebrand it, but it was Deming still.
ISO 9001 and most of ISO 27001 are Deming through and through. If you
tell some people you are going to use the principles of some old guy
from the 1980s they laugh and dismiss you. Frame the same thing using
some ISO numbers and throw in words like "compliance" and "best
practice", and they go moist with glee. The shallow anti-intellectual
fakery of some "management" sickens me.
Re: Statistical process control after W. Edwards Deming
#9This is a cool write up, I think since his death people did not carry the legacy, and when I look at ai and machine learning it feels like the opposite of SPC. There's a podcast I listen to by the Deming institute, the presenters talk about his legacy and work and rarely about new applications or techniques. Feels like the world of data driven management is heading in the wrong direction.
I've always been interested in Deming and his ideas (my dad was kind of obsessed with him when I was younger) and every time I want to find some good material on him to get other people interested I have trouble. A lot of the websites, books, videos, etc. out there are clearly sales vehicles for individual consultants, and when you get past that a lot of the remaining material has a kooky, almost cultlike quality. And almost invariably it feels very old, not in the sense of time-worn wisdom but in the sense of something that has been left behind. The vibe I get is less "let's pass this wisdom on to a new generation" and more "we were right the whole time, you should have listened to us".
Re: Statistical process control after W. Edwards Deming
#10Deming's quality management ideas (SPC specifically) were widely adopted in the US automotive industry by the 1980s and 1990s.
Later on this entire field came to be known as Six Sigma, but Shewhart and Deming are still the bedrock underpinning much of it.