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Habits of Highly Overrated People (2013)

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I get the strong impression that many (most?) of the people fired from Twitter are just like the overrated person described in the article. People love to act like Elon is some sort of mouth-breathing man child who stumbled into the CEO position through nothing but luck and connections. Meanwhile, if I was to take over a company that's made up of thousands of developers, the first thing I would ask for is examples of…

Do you really thing a company of that size has snippets of code that are reasonable to sift through and make that determination? You realize you'd have to parse through millions of lines of code.. Furthermore, Elon Musk cannot code himself. Having known quite a few people who have worked (and who know him well), he is the definition of overrated. Where is Elon's github? Why should he judge anything?

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Sexualizing products. Creating cute jokes during the super bowl. Implying that if you buy this product, you'll improve your social status. Am I expected to believe that these things are about communicating value? I'm sorry but that's a steaming pile of BS. Using power tactics with your customers during sales calls. Creating a sense of urgency. Bending the truth to make your product appear more favorable in general an…

Reminds me of how I find computer programming to be an amoral profession because missiles have guidance systems and Al Qaeda has a website.

Whether or not this is true has zero bearing on whether or not it is the job of marketing folks to engage in deception.

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The piece starts off with

>I remember having a discussion with a more tenured coworker, with the subject being the impending departure of another coworker. I said, “man, it’s going to be rough when he leaves, considering how much he’s done for us over the last several years.”

After list of what these supposedly overrated people do, the piece ends with

> If you’re thinking of doing these things, don’t. If you’re currently doing them, stop. I’m not saying this because you’ll be insufferable (though you will be) and I want to defend humanity from this sort of thing. I’m offering this as advice. Seriously. These things are a whole lot more transparent than the people who do them think they are, and acting like this is a guaranteed way to have a moment in life where you wonder why you’ve bounced around so much, having so much trouble with the people you work with.

Which isn't a very convincing plea, given that the author himself initially held the exact opposite opinion of a coworker engaging in these behaviors.

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The average HN reader is highly overrated for other reasons. > have detest for office politics The problem is that many people on HN believe any interaction with someone with an MBA, marketing background, manager, etc. is “office politics.”

Any interaction with another human at work is politics

Oh, dear, I hope that was ironic?

There are so many interactions at work outside of politics, which I would define as the advancement of your personal agenda before that of the organization and of anybody else.

I have such rich interactions with my colleagues. Sometimes we work together on a project. Sometimes it's purely social, like the first few minutes of a meeting with someone I haven't talked to in a long time. Sometimes they need my support or I need theirs. And sometimes (rarely) it's about having an uncomfortable conversation because something didn't go well. But none of these is about politics. I love where I work, in big parts because of the lack of politics.

(Edit: Typo)

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#125

These articles come out with some regularity, and yet no one ever says, "Yep! That's totally me! I'm a non contributing zero but I've made a living at making others think I add to the team!" Everyone knows people like this, but no one is one.

Yo. Ask me anything. Edit : I'm actually serious. I don't do most of the things in the article, or at least definitely not with the intent and detail - but I've been moved over time from being a pretty good and certainly respected hands on techie, to a middle to upper manager with massive imposter syndrome, and certainly feel I contribute less for more credit. Client loves me. My boss loves me. My team loves me. But…

spend many hours each week fine tuning PowerPoint slides, reporting, over communicating, team building, teaching people to communicate differently

I’m in a process of leaving a company where I work at for way too many years (cause I liked the job and its tech samurai format, not even the money), because there is no person like you and the “management” actively refuses to hire one, while steadily degrading into communicating through incomplete, false and illiterate streams of consciousness and providing organizational help through lowest common denominator roles who basically return to you in a couple of days asking you to do their heavily miscommunicated job for them. Sometimes I helped people doing my own request not even realizing it, so perverted it became. Any issue harder than “we’re out of paper” isn’t worth reporting. Any new module or a process is a brainstorm between me and other roles on what “they” meant and how their words most likely correlate. The tragedy is that the team is actually good, just has no clue what we do and what the plan is.

Re: Habits of Highly Overrated People (2013)

#126
How is overcommunicating a bad thing in a remote work environment? That post was written in 2013, when most IT companies required to work on site. If you're several time zones away, you do need to overcommunicate.

How is promoting your own achievements a bad thing in the context of overcoming obstacles? Why should teams endorse a culture where achievements are not celebrated nor announced?

This comments nails it in that taking good stuff to the extreme can be bad. And that's about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33759950

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The breakthroughs were done by his employees not Musk or do you praise Pope Julius II. for the Sistine chapel ceiling? BTW were is the breakthrough in Teslas?

> BTW were is the breakthrough in Teslas You're either uninformed or being pointedly obtuse. Tesla has a massive patent portfolio -- starting with the roadster's gearless transmission. It's a point of fact that building a massive car company within a crystallized industry was a breakthrough in its own right.

Patents != Breakthroughs

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> I definitely spend many hours each week fine tuning PowerPoint slides, reporting, over communicating, team building, teaching people to communicate differently, etc - which again, seems to make everybody happy and impressed This is why people love you. You're massively underestimating the amount of spoon-feeding people desire. The alternative to people like you is for individuals to do the work of understanding and…

In my first Agile company, it felt like we developers were inventing features! In fact, a PM was spoon feeding the backlog to us, organized by theme, letting us invent the interesting parts. I only realized it 10 years later.

I'm interested to hear more about what you mean when saying that it felt like you were inventing the features. And how did the PM do it exactly? Thanks!

Re: Habits of Highly Overrated People (2013)

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I can't think of examples of positive activities in a workplace being best labelled office politics . Help me out? I understand politics , outside of government, to suggest deception or manipulation with hidden motives.

Understanding politics that way is common and understandable. It's also an unfortunate cultural construction of the term, because this understanding is deeply incorrect. Politics is what happens when people disagree about what should be done, or how it should be done. That's it. That's what politics is. There are principled and corrupt reasons for disagreement. There are forthright and deceptive/manipulative means of…

Good faith disagreements are not politics, they're negotiation.

Politics is when one person/group tries to sabotage/undermine another person/group out of self-interest, even though it harms the project and reduces value.

Their self-interest becomes their top goal.

My personal take is that there are two extremes of culture. One is dedicated to engineering and management excellence. Everyone contributes. Even if there's vigorous disagreement the engine runs smoothly and Things Get Done.

The other is a snake pit of back stabbing, drama, competitive ambition, and narcissism which spreads from the c-suite down. Things still get done, sometimes, but they're poor quality - or at least much poorer than they could be. If they make it to market they'll be overhyped and oversold. (Contempt for customers and employees alike is a good tell-tale.)

No org is 100% one or the other, but those are the competing tendencies, and - of course - they're very different to work in.

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The breakthroughs were done by his employees not Musk or do you praise Pope Julius II. for the Sistine chapel ceiling? BTW were is the breakthrough in Teslas?

Elons breakthroughs are largely financial, and I don't like the guy but I admit this for sure. Elon is the kind of guy who can gather $Billions from the market year over year, each time promising that this is the last time and the company will be a wild success afterwards. Remember when Model 3 factory was all that Tesla needed in 2014? But then full self driving, Cybertruck, battery swap, AI robot that plugs in the…

He is a great salesman for sure but he promises revolution and delivers only evolution at best.

Lots of Simpson-Monorail vibes.

And financial breakthroughs are nothing, remember Madoff?

At least Musk's companies are real but his biggest promises aren't.

I wonder where Tesla would be now without the Diesel scandal.

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