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FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by Justin_K »

destitude wrote: post #110
blindriver wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei singlehandedly destroyed Canada's Nortel Networks through espionage and sabotage. The CIA did an analysis and discovered that Huawei was dumping wireless equipment to small wireless providers in areas around US military basis at a loss. At the very least, the ability to disrupt communication of those military bases were easily achievable.

Look up the FuFeng project where a Chinese company is trying to purchase land in North Dakota for an agriculture project near a US Air Force base. The city of Grand Forks even approved it but people are still trying to fight it because of national security risk.

What's amazing is the USA allows foreign land purchases to nations that strictly forbid it.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by throwawaaay129 »

This whole things looks more and more embarrassing. From the outside it just looks like the US is struggling to compete and so they create extrajudicial barriers based on "secret evidence" to block competitors.

The hypocrisy is that this is the exact anti-competitive behavior the US has been criticizing China for years.

It's possible these companies are doing nefarious things. In which case create a country-agnostic legal framework and take them to court and prove your case. If it's all super-secret-spy-stuff then just do the damn parallel construction and show all these secret backdoors you claim to have found.

If you don't like foreign equipment near military bases or whatever else, then make laws against it

After the Bloomberg microchips-embedded-into-motherboards fantasy stories you can't help but think all this is the product of some CIA director's overactive imagination and isn't based on reality. It does feed into the US frothing-at-the-mouth anti-China rhetoric of the past few years so people eat it up - but cutting out the judicial process and singling out companies/countries just looks horrible imho

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by onethought »

blindriver wrote: post #88
flumpcakes wrote: post #81

While I have no doubt than basically anything from China is probably backdoored (and to the fault of western countries outsourcing manufacturing for cheap labour), what exactly has Huawei done? How do we know that the Cisco equipment also isn't backdoored and if I send a few malformed TCP packets it opens up its control plane on the receiving port? Compared to the last few decades, it seems like a strong hand banning…

Huawei singlehandedly destroyed Canada's Nortel Networks through espionage and sabotage. The CIA did an analysis and discovered that Huawei was dumping wireless equipment to small wireless providers in areas around US military basis at a loss. At the very least, the ability to disrupt communication of those military bases were easily achievable.

Pretty sure Nortel had a pile of its own issues unrelated to any hacks. Wasn’t the ceo fired for dodgey accounting around the same time?

Reds in the bed kind of fud here.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by ajkjk »

throwawaaay129 wrote: post #182

This whole things looks more and more embarrassing. From the outside it just looks like the US is struggling to compete and so they create extrajudicial barriers based on "secret evidence" to block competitors. The hypocrisy is that this is the exact anti-competitive behavior the US has been criticizing China for years. It's possible these companies are doing nefarious things. In which case create a country-agnostic…

I feel like I don't really have any moral problem with US passing laws to protect US interests, as long as the laws aren't super unreasonable or evil. They're, like, unfair to some people, but not.. really... morally wrong? The moral complaint about China isn't that they have anti-competitive laws, it's the Orwellian thought-suppression psy-ops stuff.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by Trombone12 »

seydor wrote: post #113
heavyset_go wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are taking action now because the West spent decades underestimating China, probably for xenophobic reasons. I'm willing to bet a lot of people assumed they weren't as capable as westerners and now it can't be denied. IMO, it was a classic mistake of underestimating a potential rival while stroking our own egos about how smart, capable and powerful we are in comparison. Reality finally trumped hubris.

in what sense is a rival?

In the sense that it is official US government policy to describe China as a rival, as distinct from even the neutral "partner". Most recently this is said in the US national security strategy from October, which declares that it is a central task of US foreign policy to oppose Chinas vision for the world.

Another examples is that the DoD has for quite a long time declared China as the primary adversary, or as they politely say it "pacing challenge".

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by goldenkey »

Justin_K wrote: post #181
destitude wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look up the FuFeng project where a Chinese company is trying to purchase land in North Dakota for an agriculture project near a US Air Force base. The city of Grand Forks even approved it but people are still trying to fight it because of national security risk.

What's amazing is the USA allows foreign land purchases to nations that strictly forbid it.

Well, money has always been the rule of law of this land. The founding father's thought they were breaking the kingship. Marx even remarked on democracy being the best way to give the illusion of fairness, while keeping capital in control.

https://prospect.org/power/congressmembers-tried-to-stop-sec...

Both democrats and republicans, it's just musical chairs, they are all pilfering us.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by leetcodesucks »

Dalewyn wrote: post #170
destitude wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look up the FuFeng project where a Chinese company is trying to purchase land in North Dakota for an agriculture project near a US Air Force base. The city of Grand Forks even approved it but people are still trying to fight it because of national security risk.

Every time I see stories like this I can't help but feel a twisted sense of respect for China, because they know how to read the rulebooks and take advantage of it all for everything we're worth. Defeating the biggest military and geopolitical superpower known to mankind is trivial if you understand you can just ignore all that and instead buy it all up, and it becomes even more trivial if your enemy straight up give…

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Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by vorpalhex »

throwawaaay129 wrote: post #182

This whole things looks more and more embarrassing. From the outside it just looks like the US is struggling to compete and so they create extrajudicial barriers based on "secret evidence" to block competitors. The hypocrisy is that this is the exact anti-competitive behavior the US has been criticizing China for years. It's possible these companies are doing nefarious things. In which case create a country-agnostic…

Or just ban the PLA owned companies and go back to working on more important stuff. Keep it simple. No need to bend over backwards to help CCP owned and controlled companies (that are legally mandated to serve the CCP's requests) make a quick buck selling commodity hardware.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by jjeaff »

Dalewyn wrote: post #170
destitude wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look up the FuFeng project where a Chinese company is trying to purchase land in North Dakota for an agriculture project near a US Air Force base. The city of Grand Forks even approved it but people are still trying to fight it because of national security risk.

Every time I see stories like this I can't help but feel a twisted sense of respect for China, because they know how to read the rulebooks and take advantage of it all for everything we're worth. Defeating the biggest military and geopolitical superpower known to mankind is trivial if you understand you can just ignore all that and instead buy it all up, and it becomes even more trivial if your enemy straight up give…

I'm not quite sure what the long game would be of buying up land. Obviously, in an escalation of contentions between the two countries, the US would simply seize said land.
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