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FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by SSJPython »

seydor wrote: post #119
SSJPython wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A rival for hegemony in the Asia-Pacific (APAC) region. The current hegemon in this region is the US. It is the strongest APAC power by far due to its numerous military bases as well as its network of strong allies (Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea). China seeks to displace the US as the hegemon in APAC. Naturally, the current hegemon doesn't take too kindly to that. So they view China as a rival.

What about the rest of the West

What about it? The US is also the hegemon in Europe. The "West" just means the US and its network of alliances. Other Western countries may want good relations with China, but they need to take US views into account because the US bankrolls their defense and is also a very important trade partner.

Large, strong countries do what they want and small, weak countries do what they must. That's the way it is and the way it's always been.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by TEP_Kim_Il_Sung »

ouEight12 wrote: post #10
TEP_Kim_Il_Sung wrote: post #3

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That's not how this will be applied. Instead, I think, they will go after devices that don't contain government backdoors.

> don't contain government backdoors. Fixed that for you. :/

Any backdoor can be used by any government. It may take time, but it will be found and exploited. All they're doing is passing the buck... your buck, that is.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by seydor »

SSJPython wrote: post #121
seydor wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the rest of the West

What about it? The US is also the hegemon in Europe. The "West" just means the US and its network of alliances. Other Western countries may want good relations with China, but they need to take US views into account because the US bankrolls their defense and is also a very important trade partner. Large, strong countries do what they want and small, weak countries do what they must. That's the way it is and the way i…

Don't you think that 's a bit too arrogant? Why should germany support the US domination over Japan, when all they want is industrial materials through the indo-pacific route.

I think the world was more fair during cold war, having 2 superpowers pushed both of them to keep each other in check. This one state world, seems worse

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by liketochill »

maxfurman wrote: post #105
blindriver wrote: post #88

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Huawei singlehandedly destroyed Canada's Nortel Networks through espionage and sabotage. The CIA did an analysis and discovered that Huawei was dumping wireless equipment to small wireless providers in areas around US military basis at a loss. At the very least, the ability to disrupt communication of those military bases were easily achievable.

Do you have a source for this? A fascinating claim, I'd love to know more

Here’s a link.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/nortel-collapse-linked-to-c...

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by rgbrenner »

SSJPython wrote: post #117
seydor wrote: post #113

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in what sense is a rival?

A rival for hegemony in the Asia-Pacific (APAC) region. The current hegemon in this region is the US. It is the strongest APAC power by far due to its numerous military bases as well as its network of strong allies (Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea). China seeks to displace the US as the hegemon in APAC. Naturally, the current hegemon doesn't take too kindly to that. So they view China as a rival.

China—so powerful that they believe they can rival the US… but also so weak that they should qualify for WTO protections for developing markets.

At a certain point you have to question whether they believe in free trade at all.. or just paying lip service to it to make themselves rich.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by TEP_Kim_Il_Sung »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #4
TEP_Kim_Il_Sung wrote: post #3

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That's not how this will be applied. Instead, I think, they will go after devices that don't contain government backdoors.

Which devices have government backdoors?

Cell phones are required to have them by law. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5cAfEGhH5o

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by FpUser »

flumpcakes wrote: post #97
blindriver wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei singlehandedly destroyed Canada's Nortel Networks through espionage and sabotage. The CIA did an analysis and discovered that Huawei was dumping wireless equipment to small wireless providers in areas around US military basis at a loss. At the very least, the ability to disrupt communication of those military bases were easily achievable.

Nortel networks haven't been around for nearly a decade. I've seen lots of news about 5G/Huaewi and 'core networks' only in the recent years in western countries (UK/US mainly). However, I haven't seen anything published that really reflects new risks/major backdoored products. I wouldn't 100% trust anything built in China, but there must be some reason people are only taking action now? Unless it's just "better late…

>"but there must be some reason people are only taking action now?"

I am sure there are legitimate concerns as all countries spy on each other. But China has become a real industrial and scientific competitor to China and the US just simply would not tolerate a threat to their leading position. I think they are quite explicit about this. We hear all the time about "vital interests".

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by FpUser »

liketochill wrote: post #125
maxfurman wrote: post #105

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Do you have a source for this? A fascinating claim, I'd love to know more

Here’s a link. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/nortel-collapse-linked-to-c...

>"A former systems security adviser to Nortel Networks says he has no doubt"

Yeah sure, this sounds like an iron clad proof.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by vasac »

maxfurman wrote: post #105
blindriver wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei singlehandedly destroyed Canada's Nortel Networks through espionage and sabotage. The CIA did an analysis and discovered that Huawei was dumping wireless equipment to small wireless providers in areas around US military basis at a loss. At the very least, the ability to disrupt communication of those military bases were easily achievable.

Do you have a source for this? A fascinating claim, I'd love to know more

Yeah, it's fascinating. Also it's not true.

Some people that worked at Nortel at that time already spoke on HN what happened - hint: it was internal Nortel's issues. Something similar happened to Nokia, better products appeared and company wasn't able to compete.

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